Well I started in windows 95 with a 101 keyboard.  It did not have a windows
key or an application's key.  in fact it was a upgrade  from windows 3.1.
when I finely got a 104 keyboard you can believe I used all the new keys
right away. 
One key to perform a task verces two.  And two in a rather odd finguring
location.  As I said before if you are missing key you can always remap
other key to perform task. AutoHotKey is a very useful utility.  You can use
it to remap keys. You can also use it to allow you to make short cuts to
start programs.  For example alt+windows+w starts window-eyes on my system.
I have a lot of quick short cuts.  The cool thing is also you can make your
short cut script in to an exe file and take it with you to what ever
computer you are working with.it is also free so no need to spend any money
on a keyboard.  
Hth 

-----Original Message-----
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+jgrimsby=roadrunner....@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 11:46 AM
To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: speaking of Dell computers...

I guess that's what makes the world turn around, as my husband used to say: 
difference.  I have never used the shift f10 for an applications key,
because all computers where I would have needed an applications key on the
keyboard, had them.  I guess since you learned shift f10 first, that made
the applications key harder to remember.  Pam.

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From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 1:16 PM
To: Les Kriegler ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: speaking of Dell computers...

i can do without the application key but not the numlock key . i never use
it because shift f10 is so much easier to find and use. i kept pressing the
wrong key when trying to find that application key i went back to the shift
f10 i have used for the last 30 years.

-----Original Message-----
From: Les Kriegler via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 8:07 AM
To: 'Chris Grabowski' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: speaking of Dell computers...

Hi Chris,

I use the Logitech Bluetooth k810 and really love the keyboard.  However, it
doesn't have an applications key.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kriegler=nycap.rr....@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 9:43 AM
To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: speaking of Dell computers...

I find newer Logitech keyboards do not have an applications key.
The last couple of Microsoft keyboards I purchased have both a numlock and
an applications key.
Can't speak on any other brand keyboards.
Chris


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Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 6:26 AM
To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: speaking of Dell computers...

Same thing here:
My new Dell came with a keyboard but it did not have a num lock key, I
purchassed another and it came without an Applications Key.
I finally Purchassed a third keyboard that has both but the fellow at Best
Buy had a hard time finding one with both the num lock and applications
keys.
My guess is software should be designed around this newkeyboard layout
senario since I don't know if it is possible to influence the hardware
manufactures to comply with an individual software product in lieu of 99.99
percent of their base client requirements.
That or perhaps AI Squared could sell a compatible keyboard and even make a
buck for coffee.
I don't know the best solution but it seems the large manufacturers are
getting away from the applications key and the num lock keys.
By the way, the girl from Dell had no clue as to what I ment when I called
them about getting a keyboard with both and sent me to a webPage where
keyboards were detailed but even there I couldn't figure out which ones came
with what I needed to work with WindowEyes and that is why I ended up over
at Best Buy and their sales person also had a hard time finding one but, at
least, he did find one, at least for now.
It is quite frustrating to drop hundreds for a computer only to find out you
need to hard scrounge additional hardware if you want to use WindowEyes and
there was not anything on the WindowEyes site as to which keyboards were
compatible with their software - at least I didn't find anything at the
time.
I guess in some cases a modified f10 key will work in place of the
Applications Key but as far as I know no num lock key can be a killer me
thinks.
Rick USA

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