Kevin, You are entitled to your opinion. As an advocate for the screen reader and accessibility communities, I believe that constructive dialogue, eduction, and cooperation is a formula for positive change. I will continue to share facts about the progress being made by Microsoft in the realm of accessibility. And, I sincerely hope that in the near future users of screen readers will have access to another web browser under Windows. Marc
Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On August 2, 2016 5:31:15 PM Kevin Barry <krba...@gmail.com> wrote: Simply put, I believe edge shall never be accessible. Microsoft has decided to screw screen reader users over and that is that. To add insult to injury, we must evidently put up with people who should know better making apologies for microsoft and trying to explain why black is white. On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Marc Solomon <msolo...@aisquared.com<mailto:msolo...@aisquared.com>> wrote: Well said Rick! To reiterate an important point in my previous post, end to end accessibility is a team effort. Microsoft only has control over the OS and browser. The screen reader has to be updated to support the accessibility architecture of the OS and browser. VFO is actively working on making this happen. -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon<javascript:;>=aisquared....@lists.window-eyes.com<javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:51 PM To: 'Kevin Barry' <krba...@gmail.com<javascript:;>>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com<javascript:;>>; 'Portia Scott' <porti...@sbcglobal.net<javascript:;>> Subject: RE: update on Microsoft Edge If the Accessibility Tree reflects the browser and the page contents it is then up to the screen reader to use the tree properly and produce the audio outputs accordingly. Thus if the browser handles the new objects and the tree reflects the browser contents it is up to the screen reader to produce quality output. Rick USA -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail<javascript:;>=mi.rr....@lists.window-eyes.com<javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:37 PM To: Portia Scott <porti...@sbcglobal.net<javascript:;>>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com<javascript:;>> Subject: Re: update on Microsoft Edge So, he edge browser is accessible for HTML5, but not accessible for screen readers. This does not appear to demonstrate Microsoft's commitment to anything. Unless you count wishing to appear committed. If we cannot use the browser, all else is irrelevant. On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Portia Scott via Talk < talk@lists.window-eyes.com<javascript:;>> wrote: > I definitely find this pretty interesting. Someone on Twitter was > saying that edge is actually accessible. Although, you have to tab a lot. > > I haven't really tested this, and I am not on my Windows machine at > the moment. But I thought I would mention this to the list. > > Portia. > > On Aug 2, 2016, at 11:22 AM, Marc Solomon via Talk < > talk@lists.window-eyes.com<javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > Many of you on the list have voiced concerns about the lack of > accessibility and screen reader compatibility in Microsoft Edge (the > new web browser in Windows 10). Yes, Microsoft dropped the ball by > releasing a non-accessible solution when Windows 10 first shipped. > There is nothing we can do to change that. But, I wanted to share some > information that was just released that helps demonstrate Microsoft's > commitment to accessibility and the improvements that have been made to Edge. > > First, a little background. HTML5 is the latest version of the > > markup > language used to write web pages. This new specification includes many > new elements that have potential to make web pages more accessible and operable > from the keyboard. In order for this all to work, both the web browser > and assistive technology have to implement support for the HTML5 specification. > And, the web page developer has to use the HTML5 markup correctly when > authoring the page. There are more technical complexities involved for > creating an accessible experience, but this is a good place to start. > > Here is an example of how a new HTML5 element could improve > accessibility. A web page author can use the new <main> element to > indicate the main content on a web page. The web browser can map the <main> > element to a landmark element in the accessibility API (application > programming interface). This API can then communicate to a screen > reader that there is a main content landmark available on the page. > The screen reader can provide the user with a hotkey to navigate to > the main content landmark. As you can see, a carefully orchestrated > effort must take place in order for accessibility to happen. Okay, > that is the end of the lecture. > Thanks for staying awake. > > The website www.html5accessibility<http://www.html5accessibility> > > was > created to document the current level of HTML5 accessibility support > in each of the major browsers (Chrome, Edge, Firefox, Internet > Explorer and Safari). The website first lists each browser and the > percentage of HTML5 elements that are accessibly supported. Then, > there are tables showing each > HTML5 element's current support in the major browsers. This website is > updated frequently. At the beginning of this year, Edge had a score of 0%. > As of today, it now has a score of 100%. And, it is the only major > browser that now accessibly supports all HTML5 features. Edge has > leapfrogged all of the other browsers, even the mighty Firefox which > had been at the top of > the list for quite some time. This robust HTML5 support in Edge is a > true testament to Microsoft's commitment to accessibility. And, I for > one give them kudos for this outstanding accomplishment. Now, back to > your regular programming. > > Best, > > Marc > > _______________________________________________ > > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of > > the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/portia89%40sbc global.net > . > > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/krbarry%40gmai l.com > . > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > -- Sent from Kevin's iPhone. _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/ofbgmail%40mi. rr.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com -- Sent from Kevin's iPhone. _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. 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