fact number five, the edge browser is not accessible to screen readers. Making your fax immaterial
On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Marc Solomon via Talk < talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > Hi Vaughn, > Regretfully, I don't have any specifics to share regarding how close > Window-Eyes is to adding official support for Edge. But, the advancements > we are seeing in Edge seem like a good indicator that 3rd party screen > reader support is not too far off in the distance. > Best, > Marc > > Sent with AquaMail for Android > http://www.aqua-mail.com > > > On August 2, 2016 7:23:53 PM Vaughan Dodd <vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > Hi Marc. > > > > I'm perhaps tempting fate - are you signaling that in fact, Window-eyes > is close to having the interface we need? > > > > I can check for myself as to the real user's experience of course when > the anniversary of Windows 10 gets to a machine near me. > > > > Vaughan. > > > > > > Understand if non-disclosure still applies. > > > > Vaughan. > > > > > > > > Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to > emailing or faxing any new referrals. > > > > Vaughan Dodd, Regional Disability Advisor. > > > > Desk2desk: 97187. > > Email: vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz <javascript:;>. > > For referrals: email fax_gnlis001_health_disabil...@msd.govt.nz > <javascript:;>. > > > > Our up-to-date desk file is located at: > > > http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/auckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001 <javascript:;>= > msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Marc > Solomon via Talk > > Sent: Wednesday, 3 August 2016 11:07 a.m. > > To: Kevin Barry > > Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List > > Subject: RE: update on Microsoft Edge (my final response on this thread, > I promise <grin>) > > > > Fact number 1: Microsoft Edge used to accessibly support 0 percent of > HTML5 features. > > Fact number 2: In less than 12 months, Microsoft Edge now accessibly > supports 100 percent of HTML5 features. > > Fact number 3: Microsoft Edge now accessibly supports more HTML5 > features than any other major browser. > > Fact number 4: Web browsers accessibly supporting HTML5 features will > make the web more usable for people who use assistive technology including > screen reader users > > Source: www.html5accessibility.com<http://www.html5accessibility.com> > (curated by The Paciello Group, a globally recognized leader in digital > accessibility) Explanation of terms – HTML5 features “accessibly supported” > by a web browser includes if they are keyboard accessible, mapped to the > platform accessibility APIs, and if any accessibility related features are > supported. An accessibly supported feature means it is usable by people who > rely on assistive technology, without developers having to supplement with > ARIA or other additional workarounds. > > > > From: Kevin Barry [mailto:krba...@gmail.com <javascript:;>] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 6:23 PM > > To: Marc Solomon <msolo...@aisquared.com <javascript:;>> > > Cc: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com <javascript:;>>; Window-Eyes > Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>>; Portia Scott > <porti...@sbcglobal.net <javascript:;>> > > Subject: Re: update on Microsoft Edge > > > > As soon as Microsoft make some progress, please share it with us. In the > meantime, please stop apologizing for their inexcusable choices. > > > > On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Marc Solomon <msolo...@aisquared.com > <javascript:;><mailto:msolo...@aisquared.com <javascript:;>>> wrote: > > Kevin, > > You are entitled to your opinion. As an advocate for the screen reader > and accessibility communities, I believe that constructive dialogue, > eduction, and cooperation is a formula for positive change. I will continue > to share facts about the progress being made by Microsoft in the realm of > accessibility. And, I sincerely hope that in the near future users of > screen readers will have access to another web browser under Windows. > > Marc > > > > Sent with AquaMail for Android > > http://www.aqua-mail.com > > > > On August 2, 2016 5:31:15 PM Kevin Barry <krba...@gmail.com > <javascript:;><javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > Simply put, I believe edge shall never be accessible. Microsoft has > decided to screw screen reader users over and that is that. To add insult > to injury, we must evidently put up with people who should know better > making apologies for microsoft and trying to explain why black is white. > > > > On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Marc Solomon <msolo...@aisquared.com > <javascript:;><javascript:;><mailto:msolo...@aisquared.com > <javascript:;><javascript:;>>> > wrote: > > Well said Rick! To reiterate an important point in my previous post, end > to end accessibility is a team effort. Microsoft only has control over the > OS and browser. The screen reader has to be updated to support the > accessibility architecture of the OS and browser. VFO is actively working > on making this happen. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon <javascript:;> > <javascript:;><javascript:;>=aisquared....@lists.window-eyes.com > <javascript:;><javascript:;><javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via > Talk > > Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:51 PM > > To: 'Kevin Barry' <krba...@gmail.com > > <javascript:;><javascript:;><javascript:;>>; > 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com > <javascript:;><javascript:;><javascript:;>>; > 'Portia Scott' <porti...@sbcglobal.net <javascript:;> > <javascript:;><javascript:;>> > > Subject: RE: update on Microsoft Edge > > > > If the Accessibility Tree reflects the browser and the page contents it > is then up to the screen reader to use the tree properly and produce the > audio outputs accordingly. > > Thus if the browser handles the new objects and the tree reflects the > browser contents it is up to the screen reader to produce quality output. > > Rick USA > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail <javascript:;> > <javascript:;><javascript:;>=mi.rr....@lists.window-eyes.com > <javascript:;><javascript:;><javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Kevin Barry via > Talk > > Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:37 PM > > To: Portia Scott <porti...@sbcglobal.net > > <javascript:;><javascript:;><javascript:;>>; > Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;> > <javascript:;><javascript:;>> > > Subject: Re: update on Microsoft Edge > > > > So, he edge browser is accessible for HTML5, but not accessible for > screen readers. This does not appear to demonstrate Microsoft's commitment > to anything. Unless you count wishing to appear committed. If we cannot use > the browser, all else is irrelevant. > > > > On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Portia Scott via Talk < > talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;><javascript:;><javascript:;>> > wrote: > > > >> I definitely find this pretty interesting. Someone on Twitter was > >> saying that edge is actually accessible. Although, you have to tab a > lot. > >> > >> I haven't really tested this, and I am not on my Windows machine at > >> the moment. But I thought I would mention this to the list. > >> > >> Portia. > >> > On Aug 2, 2016, at 11:22 AM, Marc Solomon via Talk < > >> talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;><javascript:;><javascript:;> > <javascript:;>> wrote: > >> > > >> > Many of you on the list have voiced concerns about the lack of > >> accessibility and screen reader compatibility in Microsoft Edge (the > >> new web browser in Windows 10). Yes, Microsoft dropped the ball by > >> releasing a non-accessible solution when Windows 10 first shipped. > >> There is nothing we can do to change that. But, I wanted to share some > >> information that was just released that helps demonstrate Microsoft's > >> commitment to accessibility and the improvements that have been made to > Edge. > >> > First, a little background. HTML5 is the latest version of the > >> > markup > >> language used to write web pages. This new specification includes many > >> new elements that have potential to make web pages more accessible and > > operable > >> from the keyboard. In order for this all to work, both the web browser > >> and assistive technology have to implement support for the HTML5 > > specification. > >> And, the web page developer has to use the HTML5 markup correctly when > >> authoring the page. There are more technical complexities involved for > >> creating an accessible experience, but this is a good place to start. > >> > Here is an example of how a new HTML5 element could improve > >> accessibility. A web page author can use the new <main> element to > >> indicate the main content on a web page. The web browser can map the > > <main> > >> element to a landmark element in the accessibility API (application > >> programming interface). This API can then communicate to a screen > >> reader that there is a main content landmark available on the page. > >> The screen reader can provide the user with a hotkey to navigate to > >> the main content landmark. As you can see, a carefully orchestrated > >> effort must take place in order for accessibility to happen. Okay, > >> that is the end of the > > lecture. > >> Thanks for staying awake. > >> > The website www.html5accessibility<http://www.html5accessibility> > >> > was > >> created to document the current level of HTML5 accessibility support > >> in each of the major browsers (Chrome, Edge, Firefox, Internet > >> Explorer and Safari). The website first lists each browser and the > >> percentage of HTML5 elements that are accessibly supported. Then, > >> there are tables showing > > each > >> HTML5 element's current support in the major browsers. This website is > >> updated frequently. At the beginning of this year, Edge had a score of > 0%. > >> As of today, it now has a score of 100%. And, it is the only major > >> browser that now accessibly supports all HTML5 features. Edge has > >> leapfrogged all of the other browsers, even the mighty Firefox which > >> had been at the top > > of > >> the list for quite some time. This robust HTML5 support in Edge is a > >> true testament to Microsoft's commitment to accessibility. And, I for > >> one give them kudos for this outstanding accomplishment. 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