One thing, in Becky if you wish read-to-end to work again, you can change, under general settings, the third page of options, (message view), the HTML option that "convert to plain text, to use, instead, the IE5 view which is the second from the top of 3 radio buttons. Then your read-to-end keys are the same as those you'd use in Internet explorer of which it is using one of the components of. Other advantages are easier clicking on links in HTML email messages, but, there are disadvantages as well, though you can as easily turn it off and go back to "convert to plain text" as well to get what you have now, back again. Of course, in the normal view of Becky, hitting the space bar to scroll the message 24 or so lines and then hitting control=-shift-d to read the field which I use works too, but auto-read works well when using the html view. That option is about 21 tabs from the start of the "message view" page, or about 10 or so shift-tabs from the other way. :)
----- Curtis Delzer, HS. K6VFO San Bernardino, CA On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 09:03:39 -0800 (PST) Butch Bussen via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > You are so right, and have you looked at stereo systems lately? Same old, > same old, read the display. > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Fri, 13 Jan 2017, Dave via Talk wrote: > > > Hi Jim, > > > > There are all kinds of examples. In Becky, I once had the ability to > > Read to End, and now I no longer have this ability. > > > > Numerous Web Sites that once were reasonably accessible, now require > > more effort on my part to find the same information. > > > > Ebay is a simple example. I once could easily type in the item I was > > looking for and run a search. Now I need to take a few extra steps to > > do the same thing, and then, sometimes, the reading of the search > > results is quite flaky. > > > > This is probably due more to Ebay changing something than Window Eyes > > doing something wrong. But the bottom line is that I now am working > > harder to get where I once could go fairly easily. > > > > The other day, I was on a web site, I was attempting to create an > > account, I could not because some where on that screen I was leaving a > > Field open, and try as I might, I could never find the field, and I > > could not create the account. I'll need to get sighted help to do this > > in the next day or two. > > > > Operating Systems and programs all have multiplied the number of > > features, and a program that once had 50 features, now has 200. My > > screen reader might read many of these new menu choices, and then again, > > it might not. > > > > Oh, I can still use the basic features, but I find that I don't always > > have the ability to go into some of those new areas, and be able to read > > all the selections, choices and options. > > > > This is partly due to multiple factors, and I am not holding Window Eyes > > responsible for the two steps backwards. > > > > Frankly, I would think it is almost impossible for a Screen reading > > company to give 100 per cent access to Windows, or Office, or many other > > programs. > > > > Outside of Screen Readers, I think the Blind are given fewer and fewer > > choices. I bought a brand new Top of the Line Washer and Dryer for my > > Wife. I thought I might be able to continue to help do the wash from > > time to time. The machines had buttons. Well, it turns out, even > > though there are buttons, the user needs to read a screen to select the > > exact cycle wanted for that load of wash. And the dryer isn't any > > easier. It too has a screen and it requires the user to read the screen > > in order to choose the desired dryer setting, time temp etc. > > > > I now need to read from a Braille card, the number of buttons to push > > and in which order, to do a simple load of wash. > > > > There are many Kitchen appliances that require sight to use them > > accurately. > > > > The phone system where I work is almost impossible for me to use. I can > > pick up calls and dial out, but it requires sight to see another one of > > those screens to pick the person you wish to transfer a call. > > > > customer Service Data bases, my Screen reader doesn't read well. Not > > well enough to effectively use it. Same with the Tech Data base. > > > > I may have said that accessibility is taking one step forwards, and two > > back. Perhaps I should have said, that accessibility is not keeping up > > with what accessibility is needed, which ends up meaning the same thing > > for most Blind. We can't use the equipment, or navigate the Web page, > > or create an account, or do some type of editing, because we can't get > > to the feature to use it. > > > > > > I am older, and some my want to say, that I am just an old dude who is > > stuck in the past. > > > > However, what I see, is the typical consumer has a load of Electronic > > equipment, and very very few know much more than the bare basics when it > > comes to using it. Hundreds of features are there, for the few who > > might need to use them. But most features go un used, and yet, the > > manufacturers can say their phone has more features, or our program has > > more choices etc. etc. etc. > > > > > > So, I do believe we the Blind are losing the level of accessibility we > > once had in the past. > > > > Grumpy Dave > > > > > > -- > Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > > > For membership options, visit > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/butchb%40shellworld.net. > > For subscription options, visit > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > List archives can be found at > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/curtis%40calweb.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. 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