Nice! Is their a website where I can go and look up his studio? And does he make a living as a recording engineer?
-----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 7:12 PM To: Sky Mundell via Talk Cc: Tom Kingston Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility Hey Sky, Slau is indeed the man at the B Flat recording studio. I met him probably twenty-some years ago. Regards, Tom On 7/7/2019 9:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: > Nice! I think I know your friend Tom. Isn't your friend Jerry Haliton, AKA > Slau? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf > Of Tom Kingston via Talk > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 5:57 PM > To: David via Talk > Cc: Tom Kingston > Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility > > No, Narrator does not yet compare to Window-Eyes, NVDA, or JAWS. But a > lot of work has been done on it and it is a pretty capable screen reader > for the average user today. And be it that both Doug Geoffray and Ron > Parker (the two main developers from GW-Micro) are there, I assume > they're looking to do a little more than give it a facelift. > > The real problem was Bill Gates. Our needs had no priority all the years > he was at the helm. Most of what was done for accessibility was done > under pressure from differing directions. However, since Satya Nadella > took over the helm, accessibility became a real priority and there has > been a sweeping change across the entire enterprise on awareness and > incorporating accessibility into the development process. There has been > an enormous amount of work done on accessibility in product lines such > as Office and the Visual Studio programming environment. > > Whether one purchases or subscribes to Office is their choice. For some > (blind or not) the small monthly or annual payments is the difference > between getting it and not getting it. > > Microsoft will never sell Narrator. They would be publicly shamed. And > the market is too small to make a difference to a company that large anyway. > > I'm not a fan of Apple's VoiceOver. But it is scriptable in some manner. > I have a friend who owns a recording studio in New York city and is > running purely on Macs. That is work that is far beyond that of the > average user. > > So, from my perspective, the world isn't quite so bleak and out to get us. > > > On 7/7/2019 10:07 AM, David via Talk wrote: >> Well, let it be Narrator might eventually turn into something useful. >> And forebare with me, I have not tested anything later than Win8.1, so >> perhaps it is already getting into something basic. Google managed to >> have a somehow working screen reader, and what I hear, so did Apple. >> Still, I think very few people will agree, should we claim any of these >> even close to the standard of things like Jaws, Win-Eyes, and to a >> certain degree NVDA. For one thing, those screen readers that are >> included with the OS, lack a good deal of personalization capabilities. >> I am not aware you can built any kind of Scripts or add-ons to either of >> them. >> >> >> Besides, dreaming that Microsoft would let all be part of the OS, >> without charging their users; seem not too much to rely on, should we >> judge from history. OK, they could change their schemes, and very much >> welcome to do that. But look what they have done with Office. Sure, you >> don't have to pay them a check of a couple of hundred dollars, but >> rather they are going to feed at your credit card table every single >> month. In about two years, you have subscribe enough that you could have >> bought the full-fledged version. And did you buy, you could have camped >> with it for the next 5 or 10 years. >> >> >> My guess is, that you at the best will see MS coming out with a somehow >> working Narrator.And then, should you want it to perform anything much >> more than just read the screen to you, you will be offered to pay $19.95 >> a month; or, in case you want the Professional version with some basic >> scripting like Jaws - let's charge you $39.95 a month. >> >> >> I've been using Android for a little now, and have to say it is great to >> see the screen reader has improved over the last handful of years. >> Still, a simple thing like browsing the net, TalkBack lacks a whole lot. >> And, there are a few things that you might want to do on a computer, >> which you do not necessarily see fit on your small mobil device. Hence, >> whatever good the screen reader might be on your cellphone or tablet, >> will you please consider comparing your activity on these units, as well >> as your productivity - and then come back telling me these screen >> readers are to be compared with WinEyes for one. But if now, Google and >> Apple - both being really big industries, and even somehow passed by >> Microsoft in market sharing - has never got anything better than this, >> why would you expect Microsoft to be. As MS are loosing market, they >> doubtfully will put too much into a screen reader. After all, it is not >> the screen reader that will sell. On the other hand, as Google and Apple >> has climbed the ladder of the market, you would somehow have expected >> them to have invested more in their screen readers. What is it you think >> MS will be doing different? >> >> >> Sorry, I did not mean to be critical, or to put anyone down. I just >> meant to point out the realities of today. Business is business; and it >> is all about money. As the electronic devices have dropped in price, >> noone wants to pay 5 times the electronic price, for their software to >> be able to run the device. Meaning, the software industry cannot charge >> you a shirt, a jacket and five pairs of shoes -just to leave you the >> license for turning on your computer. Why we see more and more >> subscription-based products. Even now aday, the pricing of the Windows >> license soon will be higher than the price of buying just a brand new >> computer, with a somehow restricted license on it. Use it for two or >> three years, till the poor quality breaks, and then throw it away and go >> get yourself a new one. Or, like Office, make people pay you a fortune >> over the life-span of the product, by charging them that little each >> month, that they do not know you are draining their bank account. >> >> >> As an interesting side-track here, might I take the opportunity to tell >> you all something from locally? >> >> You know, some cellphone operators offer you a mid-range phone, for a >> quite reduced price. Only fish-hook of it all, you have to subscribe for >> a given service, for the next 24 months or something of that sort. Over >> here, the authorities have decided that when they advertise for this >> kind of products, they will have to show you the GRAND TOTAL, phone >> price and all the months subscription costs summed up. And they have to >> do this right there in the advertisement. When you sit down and look at >> it, it often turns out the deal is not good at all. You thought you got >> a cheap phone, and perhaps you did. But they knew to charge you the >> price-reduction and all interests plus a good deal more, through your >> *tiny* little monthly subscriptions. >> >> >> Will be interesting to see what happens to Narrator. Another thing of >> course is, that some rumors want it that Win10 is perhaps the last >> Windows version ever. And if so, do you think MS are going to spend too >> much on a product that will go down the drain anyway? >> >> >> Just some thoughts. >> >> David >> >> On 7/7/2019 5:39 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote: >>> I wonder if W-E would have just been absorbed sooner had Microsoft bought >>> them years ago. I can’t see Microsoft letting W-E be a standalone program. >>> Maybe GW micro knew this and did not want to lose control of the program to >>> Microsoft. >>> >>> The whole thing was very painful but maybe in the long run it will be a >>> good thing because narrator may soon become as good as window eyes and >>> maybe even better and if so, it will be included in Windows so no one will >>> have to pay extra for it. >>> >>> We can’t change the past, but there is hope for the future. (I just wish we >>> had the W-E support people to call when we needed help.) >>> >>> >>> Brenda >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dictated and sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jul 6, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via >>>> Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Sky, perhaps I am terribly selfish, stupid, and a fool to boot; Microsoft >>>> should have bought Window-Eyes for integration into Windows. If it had, it >>>> would have had a TALKING INSTALLER more than 25 years ago and would not >>>> need >>>> to reinvent the wheels. >>>> >>>> I'm always dreaming, I just hope I don't fall off the cliff. Anyhow, I'm >>>> sure glad that GW Micro staff are over there teaching and helping Microsoft >>>> to do the right thing! >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Olusegun >>>> Denver, Colorado >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>>> >>>> For membership options, visit >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bjnite%40gmail.com. >>>> For subscription options, visit >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>> List archives can be found at >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. 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