On 23/10/2008 09:00, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: > >> I also have one in the centre of Sutton Coldfield. Think when I >> mapped it >> (ages and ages ago) I made it two separate ways which obviously >> isn't right. >> So interested to hear what people think. > > +1. There's one in Worcester. Except it's labelled (in the car-flow > direction) by "BUS & CYCLE" painted on the road, where cycle is the > usual pictogram. > > Consequently you could, and I almost have, cycle along there in the > belief that it's a with-flow cycle lane... only to be flattened by an > oncoming bus. Not funny (well, maybe a bit).
Was that a +1 for separate ways or a +1 for "which obviously isn't right"? The latter I hope. Given the existing use of psv=opposite_lane I'll go with that for now. (I don't think it does clash with psv=other things BTW). psv rather than bus is less than obvious for non-English speakers. Changing to bus=opposite_lane is merely linguistic tinkering, though I know how much that excites people on this list. However, it occurs to me that there is a more general problem here. Many roads are divided into lanes with different uses (obviously with some basic defaults), including different types of vehicle - bus, with or without taxi, bicycle, motorbike, hgv; cycles with other traffic allowed too or not; multiple vehicle occupancy; ... - and different types of permitted manoeuvre - right turn only; left turn only; ... The x=lane notation is going to bend at the knees doing this. Maybe we need a general mechanism that describes each lane when the road is more than a simple footway + n any-vehicle traffic lanes arrangement. Perhaps include the ones on the verge too. Hills Road in Cambridge (http://www.openstreetmap.org/export/embed.html?bbox=0.13402,52.17604,0.14951,52.18583&layer=mapnik&marker=52.18100,0.14119";) would need a support description like this: footway (on verge) cycle track (on verge) cycle lane (mandatory) (*) any vehicle any vehicle opposite cycle lane opposite footway (* yes, there are parallel cycle track and cycle lane: http://www.camcycle.org.uk/map/location/5837/) Newmarket Road between Barnwell Road and Ditton Lane ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/export/embed.html?bbox=0.162679,52.211031,0.166552,52.213476&layer=mapnik&marker=52.21231,0.16471 ) would need shared footway / cycle (on verge) any vehicle left turn only cycle lane (mandatory) any vehicle straight on only any vehicle opposite any vehicle opposite footway (on verge) David _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
