> There is a certain degree of cultural bias in the classifications used in OSM - but the freedom to change things. Although 'living_street' has particular usage in western europe, are types of street found in other countries that hardly exist in western europe that I think living street is trying to reproduce. I think those in Russia can decide to use this tag if they have a common type of arrangement of streets that is not common elsewhere. but appears to fit the definition. They should also feel free to use a new name if there really is not a suitable name currently in use.
I was surprised to see in china that most residential streets have gates on them to that only residents of the apartments blocks can enter. It could be tempting to classify them as alleys. but they could also fit living street, or just residential, if the user knows that the convention in China is for there to be a gate. In some countries roads in industrial estates are classes as residential, in others, service, and in other unclassified. - it might offend purists, but we do allow cultural flexibility in tagging as well as cultural and technical norms of road design and use. James > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 13:49:26 +0400 > From: "USHAKOV, Sergey" <usha...@int.com.ru> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - 'living_street' > To: <talk@openstreetmap.org> > Cc: Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org> > Message-ID: <2f55ecac18e04817b14b237732dfe...@office.chemitech.ru> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > Paul, thank you for being the first to respond to my post with the new > subject :) > > OSM wiki is a great resource and really does clarify a lot. > Meanwhile it is > "work in progress" like all wikis and still leaves some space for > possible > confusion here and there... > > The reason for my question and proposal is that there is a lot of > confusion > and discussions between Russian OSM members on what should be tagged > as a > 'living_street'. I am personally not a supporter of mapping all > garbage > collection ways :) But residential areas in Russian cities are full of > public un-named ways that are an important means for getting to the > destination, sometimes via a long and complicated path. And traffic > rules > applicable on these un-named "streets" are very much the same as for > the > named living streets. So it is really important for navigation > software to > know about them and treat/render them appropriately. > > Please have a look at this picture: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Residential_area_way_1.jpg . > Officially it's an un-named way in a residential area. Does it > qualify as an > alley? ;) What is the right word for it that you would pick as a > native > English-speaker? > > The most discussed questions are: > - is having a name really important for an object to be a > 'living_street' > (say, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dliving_street > explicitly suggests no 'name' tag for a 'living_street' in Belarus) > - is being marked with a "residential area" traffic sign really > important > for an object to be a 'living_street' ("living street" traffic rules > may be > implied on certain ways without any signs) > - what may be other important characteristics of a 'living_street" as > compared to "service" > > Any feedback is most appreciated... > > Regards, > Sergey > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Johnson" <ba...@ursamundi.org> > To: <talk@openstreetmap.org> > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:25 AM > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - 'living_street' > > USHAKOV, Sergey wrote: > [...] > I honestly don't see where the confusion is. Alleys occur in all > kinds > of districts throughout the world, the type of way doesn't change > purely > on inductive reasoning alone. If it's a back alleyway where you're > not > expected to do more than find hidden driveways, garbage and delivery > access, and maybe off-street parking, it's not a living_street even if > all the ways around it are. > > Wikipedia isn't the best example making a judgement call on this, > either; our own wiki is much better in this regard. Our wiki has > tagging examples and graphics that seem to make it pretty clear that > the > living_street tag applies only to ways that are actually > living_streets, > not all ways in an area. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservice > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Living_street > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > > > > -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
