Hi, We recently noticed some activity in Bacolod Philippines. We requested the editor to explain the sources (no public trace and hires imagery available in the area). Based on our exchanges in the OSM messaging facility, I have reason to believe that the data came from copyrighted material.
For revert masters, here are changesets: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3939945 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3940009 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3941725 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3942016 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3942037 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3947001 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3948063 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3948134 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3948240 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3948246 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3948272 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3952419 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3952493 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3958354 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3958599 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3958693 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3959265 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3959409 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3960671 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3961176 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3961492 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3961610 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3962407 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3963093 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3964424 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3966296 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3967487 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3969644 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3969652 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3969748 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3969754 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3969761 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3969995 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3970156 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3970176 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3970495 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3976675 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3976696 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3978288 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3978875 Another thing of concern is he mentioned a WMS in JOSM that came from NASA: "Yes your right its similar to google and in the wsm settings it says NASA and localhost 8998. Ive been using this for 3 to 4 days and think its fine since its in the editor. If thats something against ur organization then fine Im happy to stop it and do as your org says." Below is our conversation: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: maning sambale <emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> Date: Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 1:33 PM Subject: Fwd: [talk-ph] Bacolod To: osm-ph <talk...@openstreetmap.org> Here's the transcript of our conversation from first to last (while I was sending him messages he changed his user name fro mgarrucho - jrizal - rgarchitorena - jjocson - goodbyebacolod:-) ) ============== To jjocson Subject regarding your edits in Bacolod Date Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:30:53 +0000 jrizal, Hi! I've seen your edits in Bacaolod and they are really great. I am happy to see that Openstreetmap Philippine data is expanding to the Negros Island. However, I noticed that your contributions have a striking similarity to GoogleMaps' data. See this and use the slider on the top-right: http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=13&lat=10.65976&lon=122.97031&layers=B00000TFFFFF As far as I know the only gps tracks in Bacolod are the ones I uploaded months ago. Apologies if this may seem "too accusing" but please explain the sources of your contributions. Thanks! maning ===================== You mean your the only one who has a gps in bacolod???? Anyways they are maps and for sure they would look similar right. I got it from NASA. jrizal ============= To jjocson Subject Re: regarding your edits in Bacolod Date Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:04:47 +0000 On Fri Feb 26 07:47:03 UTC 2010 rgarchitorena wrote: > You mean your the only one who has a gps in bacolod???? No, what I mean here are the only gps traces uploaded in OSM I know are some of the traces I added (donated by other contributors). >Anyways they are maps and for sure they would look similar right. I got it >from NASA. Can you explain further what you mean by NASA? I use JOSM as an editor as well, it would be good if you can share what specific WMS or NASA imagery you used so that others can use it and improve the data. Just in case you didn't know, we are not allowed to copy data from copyrighted materials (an example is GoogleMaps). Most of NASA's imagery are public domain, so if you are using NASA's data that is OK. But we need to explicitly provide citation/source of information. Thanks again! ========== From jjocson Subject Re: regarding your edits in Bacolod Date Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:51:15 +0000 Sorry but its personal if you want I can sell you the program.... :-)or perhaps you can give me your details so I can visit you and give you some lessons. ======= If the data source is "personal" = not available to the public = not suitable for OSM. Unless the data provider which you say is "NASA" gave explicit permission to use the images for OSM, I don't think it is right to use it in OSM. No offense my friend, but we want the OSM data to be clean as much as possible of copyright issues. If you want Bacolod to be in the OSm map. We can help you do it by gathering GPS tracks. We can lend you a GPS if you don't own one. Keep on mapping. ======== From jjocson Subject Re: regarding your edits in Bacolod Date Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:04:34 +0000 What a conclusion! Why sould I help you with what I'm doing if you got an attitude. And who the F are you anyway? THE OSM OWNER???? On Fri Feb 26 08:56:29 UTC 2010 maning wrote: ======== And then I sent another reply which I wasn't able to sent because he changed his username while I was sending it to rgarchitorena. ========== To jjocson Subject changing usernames in a day Date Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:34:53 +0000 You are a funny guy. You changed you usernames from mgarrucho to jrizal to rgarchitorena to jjocson. I simply asked you to explain your source (which is very similar to Google's data). I simply followed OSM's guidelines here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FAQ#I_think_someone.27s_been_entering_copyrighted_data_-_how_do_we_deal_with_that.3F For such cases. I have no resort but to report your edits to the OSM Foundation Board Members. cheers, maning ============ From jjocson Subject Re: changing usernames in a day Date Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:44:17 +0000 I dont care mate! do what you have to do. ============== And then he replied again with a new username From goodbyebacolod:-) Subject Bacolod Date Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:55:55 +0000 I think we got off with the wrong foot here. Yes your right its similar to google and in the wsm settings it says NASA and localhost 8998. Ive been using this for 3 to 4 days and think its fine since its in the editor. If thats something against ur organization then fine Im happy to stop it and do as your org says. ============ My last answer. No problem mate! We want this map free of copyrighted material as much as possible. Apologies if you're pissed-off with my inquiry. I am requesting for a revert of your edits in Bacolod so please don't touch them for the moment. If you own a GPS you can continue editing in any plave you like using your tracks and local knowledge as reference. I'll look into the wms you mentioned. ================ -- cheers, maning ------------------------------------------------------ "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ ------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
