Yeah, I might do that at some point and then post a link here. -Jonas
Am 15.10.2010 um 15:35 schrieb ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen: > > > +1 Jonas, can you put some of your ideas on a wiki page ? > > > > Gert Gremmen > ----------------------------------------------------- > > Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest) > Before printing, think about the environment. > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Jonas Krückel [mailto:o...@jonas-krueckel.de] > Verzonden: Friday, October 15, 2010 3:17 PM > Aan: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen > CC: OSM Talk > Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap > > > Am 15.10.2010 um 14:40 schrieb ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen: > >>> I agree that we need to have a map to demonstrate what one can do with OSM. >>> But in my opinion, the one we currently have already surpasses, by a large >>> >margin, that which would be required to attract people to the project. And >>> still people whine about our "lack of vision"! >> >> Nonsense Frederic, Justin makes a number of very valid points >> that make the impression on the average visitor, that show >> we are a unstructured community in some ways. >> >> And no-one is whining, we are trying to make a better >> OSM, and the mapnik map is in most of the cass the first >> impression the user gets. >> >> We have voluntarily choosen to use the MAP(NIK) as 80% of our >> frontpage. There are no statements about that are just >> in for data quality. >> >> That is the first (and too often) the last impression >> a visitor gets. > > I'm not sure how much we have chosen to have a big map on the front page. It > has been this way for years and hasn't change while the project itself has > changed and involved in a lot of ways. > > Why don't we display more info about our project on the front page but > instead let the user more or less guess what we are about (by showing them a > map and a search box that looks a little bit like yet another Google Maps > clone and a small text description + a few links.) > > Why don't we show them different map styles to choose from. We can force them > to choose a map style and they will learn that OSM has more than one map (and > maybe they also understand that OSM data can be used to produce different > maps, but it's a start anyway). Or do you really think that this little plus > over there is discovered by anyone visiting osm.org for the first time? > > Why don't we show them upfront that we already have thousands of contributors > mapping right now (think of something like those maps showing edits live) and > make information about how this mapping is done available with just one > click? Why don't we show them that OSM contributors meet up in local groups > to have fun? > > Why don't we show them the different ways OSM data can be used - OSM data on > mobile devices like smartphones and outdoor GPS devices, routing based on > OSM, mashups with OSM basemaps... > > Why shouldn't we educate the visitors and make them learn what OSM truly is. > As long as we can agree, that OSM is more than a small text description on > the side and a big map, we can do a much better job showing the diversity and > richness of OSM and giving the visitors reasons why they should want to > contribute to this awesome project. > > And of course, I know that this needs someone to write the code for it and > write the text and pick some images. But I think that making osm.org look > even more similar to Google Maps and the like is the wrong way [1]. > > Also, please don't tell me that we can't put all this information on the > front page, we can. Web pages can be longer than 600px because there is > scrolling. Web pages can contain elements that move like a slideshow. They > can contain small videos and images. > We might even have all this information available in our wiki already, but > why shouldn't we display it upfront on osm.org? > > -Jonas > > [1] We can still do this and make it available as maps.osm.org for example > and put a pretty big link on osm.org But it shouldn't be the main element on > osm.org _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
