On 8/18/2012 3:56 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
maybe the existence of an OSM-to-GTFS converter could be misunderstood
by some as an invitation to upload OSM transit data to Google's database?

I would go further and say that the existence of GTFS data itself would be an invitation to upload to Google's database. Even if I instruct the current staff about licensing issues, any new personnel would find it reasonable that they should upload to Google.

And the data files themselves don't have a standard for embedding copyright information. This is because Google's Transit Content Agreement pretty much requires that all rights be assigned to Google anyway. http://odd.greatergreaterwashington.org/files/2010/stdgoogletransit.pdf

So since the GTFS files include shape and stop geo data directly derived from OSM data, my project is pretty much a dead issue for licensing reasons. So the OpenTripPlanner experiment will remain a publicly accessible private toy on my personal server.

As an almost related note, I hope the mobile Kickstarter project takes off - my private site will be much more usable from a mobile device:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/228865951/transit-app-for-ios-6-and-beyond

If it makes its goal, I also hope they include a "Pull the stop rope now" - type of function. If someone takes public transit to a new location, there is little chance of them recognizing an upcoming stop. I suppose they could ask the driver to stop somewhere however.


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