Hi,

On 10/19/2013 07:05 AM, Russ Nelson wrote:
This is wrong, and it's got to stop. Nobody should be deleting data
that somebody else entered unless they have actually BEEN to the
place, failed to see any trace of the mapped entity, and are an expert
at identifying the mapped entity.

I've recently deleted a large multipolygon that was tagged "timezone=GMT+1" or someting like that. I admit that I haven't actually gone there to check ;)

Apparently some people object to seeing things in their editor which
they can't see on the aerial photograph.

I think that is the core of the problem. For many, the visual power of the aerial imagery is so strong that any data not matching the imagery is deemed wrong.

If we had perfect "source" tagging, then it would be possible for an editor to show cues: "The data you're seeing comes from a different source than the background image you're using" or so. We're not there yet but it is not impossible.

We need to make sure that the Wikipedia deletionism doesn't take hold
within OSM.

I have a feeling you might be mixing up various kinds of delete activity.

The one where someone judges according to old aerial imagery is essentially: "This feature makes sense in OSM but I doubt it is actually there in reality because I can't see it on the image therefore I'll delete it". This kind of delete activity comes down to a lack of information.

The Wikipedia-deletionism-kind would be more like "No matter whether this feature is there in reality or not, it makes no sense in OSM therefore I'll delete it". This will be more difficult - it comes not from lack of information, but from stubbornness.

Bye
Frederik


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