Thanks for revealing this. No idea how you knew about it when nobody
else did, but it's good, even vital, that you've brought it out into the
open. Whoever you are.
I must admit, I don't really understand what it's about, but it's
clearly important.
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Steve
On 14/02/2016 00:24, Steve Coast wrote:
Any license change process, or anything remotely close to it, should be open
and transparent. It should involve the community from the start and any company
that wants to participate too.
This is painful, and it takes a long time to do. But it’s the right way to do
it. And it’s what we did when we switched from CC to ODbL.
...
Recently a few people came up with a proposal to engage some various academic
law students to provide analysis around the ODbL. This by itself is useful and
interesting and to be applauded.
Unfortunately this had to be done in only a couple of days and thus the LWG
didn’t get a chance to analyze it. It was presented to the OSMF instead as the
law students need a client for whom to work, and they needed a client quickly
as term is starting. It was hoped the OSMF would be that client. There was a
briefing document on what the students should work on - the questions they
would like them to answer. The document wasn’t written by the LWG or OSMF.
I and others were against this for a number of reasons: It was rushed. Few
people were involved. The community were absent as were a broad set of
companies. The briefing document appeared focused around companies customers
and changing the license around geocoding rather than broader issues. It
mentioned forking OSM and building scenarios around that. OSMF decided against
it.
This legal work is apparently going forward now with the OSMF-US as the client.
…
It’s fair that within the OSMF or LWG or any group there might be differences
of opinion, and those opinions not plastered over the internet. And it’s fair
that they may need to consider some things, some times, in secret. That’s why I
asked all those involved if there was a problem making this public (nobody
objected), and it’s why there are no names named.
Here’s what I’m worried about: In a few weeks or months someone might be able to
wave around a headline saying “{Famous University} law students and OSMF-US say ODbL
needs changing to allow X, Y or Z”. Or. "{Famous University} law students say
we can fork OSM and change the license”.
That would be possible if they’ve specifically been asked that and been
presented a very specific viewpoint, perhaps from one commercial point of view.
I ask that this whole process be opened up to both the community and other
companies with an interest in OSM so that it is fair, balanced and not subject
to any real or perceived biases. Most of all, it shouldn’t happen secretly away
from the community and then just the results presented as a fait accompli. We
should actively recruit people to be part of this kind of work instead of
keeping it quiet.
My understanding is that the ship has sailed and the students have started
working with the scenarios they have been given. Hopefully I’m wrong, but if
this is the case and the work has started, then I ask that OSMF-US throw out
the results since the LWG, the community and other companies have not been
involved at all in what the students are to be asked.
The OSMF-US and/or those involved are creating some communication channels for
the work that is happening. It is a question for next months meeting whether
the community will be allowed in to those channels or if there will be an
announcement. It makes me and others uncomfortable that this is a question at
all, as does waiting another month, or weeks, or whatever the timeframe is and
then being presented with the results on how to change the license. You should
know this work is happening, what has been asked and why, otherwise this isn’t
a very open project.
Lastly, please come help with the LWG. More people involved in what’s happening
can only strengthen OSM and help us do more.
Steve
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