Indeed, with the geometry still remaining it will be easy to create a maproulette task(s) to repair the damage
+1 for name tag redaction On Aug 27, 2017 12:26 PM, "Ian Dees" <ian.d...@gmail.com> wrote: > Frederik, > > Thanks for notifying us about this. I hope that you treat this as an > import or automated edit and follow the rules you would expect to see the > rest of the community follow. Please post samples of your changes, make a > wiki page for posterity, and thanks for working to get buy-in from local > community. > > Is your plan to revert changes to the name tag made by chdr or will you be > completely removing the name tag? Personally, I would prefer to see the > name tag completely removed so we can more easily come back and correct it. > It might also be better to load this list you posted into maproulette or > similar so we can systematically validate the name values on the ways. > > -Ian > > On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Frederik Ramm <frede...@remote.org> > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> in 2010 I was privately contacted by another OSM user with the >> suspicion that user "chdr" might be copying names from Google maps >> (there were few "easter eggs" in Oman that were only on Google and not >> in the real world, and they suddenly popped up on OSM). "chdr" was >> contacted at the time, but continued unfazed. In 2013 another mapper >> lodged a complaint with DWG about edits by chdr, and I emailed chdr >> asking him about his sources. At that point chdr stopped mapping. He >> never replied about his sources though, even when I set an ultimatum (of >> 31st August 2013) threatening to remove all names he contributed if he >> can't tell us his source. We do have to assume that all names >> contributed by chdr are copyright violations. >> >> (chdr has added names all around the world, making a harmless survey >> unlikely.) >> >> For various reasons I neglected to act on this, and was only reminded >> now, 5 years later, when DWG received a complaint from a user in Brazil >> where chdr has even used "source=google" occasionally. (But as I said, >> the suspicion is that Google was used throughout.) >> >> I have now compiled a list of all street names that were contributed by >> chdr and are still visible today; we're talking about almost 75,000 >> street names world wide. The most affected countries are: >> >> 18023 "United States of America" >> 16345 "Mexico" >> 15109 "Brazil" >> 6791 "RSA" >> 2802 "Spain" >> 2614 "Australia" >> 1923 "Argentina" >> 1673 "Nigeria" >> 1569 "India" >> 1441 "Canada" >> 954 "Malaysia" >> 744 "Botswana" >> 717 "Philippines" >> 619 "Indonesia" >> 553 "Italy" >> 414 "Turkey" >> 290 "Hungary" >> 284 "Chile" >> 250 "Kenya" >> 127 "Saudi Arabia" >> 107 "Paraguay" >> 106 "Panama" >> 100 "Morocco" >> >> I've left out those countries with less than 100 affected ways. >> >> For the US, I can break it down by state: >> >> 5696 "Arizona" >> 5116 "Texas" >> 2294 "New York" >> 1164 "District of Columbia" >> 740 "Iowa" >> 494 "Colorado" >> 416 "New Jersey" >> 339 "Illinois" >> 268 "Michigan" >> 239 "Pennsylvania" >> 181 "Missouri" >> 147 "Georgia" >> 129 "New Mexico" >> 123 "North Carolina" >> 115 "California" >> 106 "Virginia" >> >> The breakdown for Mexico: >> >> 7749 "Baja California" >> 2084 "Puebla" >> 1964 "Chihuahua" >> 1539 "Coahuila" >> 1161 "Mexico" >> 1040 "Chiapas" >> 342 "Tamaulipas" >> 241 "Sonora" >> 185 "San Luis Potosi" >> 129 "New Mexico" >> >> and Brazil: >> >> 10904 "São Paulo" >> 2605 "Paraná" >> 945 "Rio de Janeiro" >> 270 "Rio Grande do Sul" >> 154 "Goiás" >> >> and South Africa: >> >> 4422 "Gauteng" >> 750 "KwaZulu-Natal" >> 600 "Eastern Cape" >> 439 "Western Cape" >> 400 "Northern Cape" >> 179 "Mpumalanga" >> >> - each time leaving out a couple others under 100. >> >> We believe that only names, not geometries have been taken from other >> maps so we'll remove and redact the names only. In identifying "names >> contributed by chdr" I took care to really only pick up the names that >> were introduced by them, not names that were there before, and also when >> chdr split a way that had a name I will make sure that the newly created >> way doesn't count as "named by chdr". Additionally, I have ignored those >> cases where chdr simply performed a TIGER expansion (St->Street etc) of >> a name that was there before. >> >> My process has two weak points (that I am aware of): >> >> 1. It doesn't properly "follow" a chrdr-contributed name through way >> splits performed by other users; if someone has split a way created by >> chdr, then the name will remain on the bit that was created by this >> user. This is somewhat unsatisfying but after having manually checked a >> random sample I think the problem is small enough to be ignored. >> >> 2. It is possible that, like with a recent case in Switzerland where I >> had to do a similar redaction, some of these chdr-contributed names will >> have been confirmed by others in a survey, i.e. someone else surveyed >> the area and checked the name, but saw no need to change it in any way >> since it was already correct. Sadly my process will now remove the name >> even though, had the name not been there in the first place, that person >> could have added the name. This is not nice but I don't see how it could >> be avoided. >> >> Here's a list of way IDs affected, with country and state: >> >> http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/chdr.details >> >> I am trying to keep the damage to OSM to a minimum while at the same >> time respecting copyright. If anyone wants to spot check a few names in >> their area and can suggest a refinement of the process that would leave >> more names in place because there's reason to assume they are legit, I'm >> all ears. >> >> It has been suggested to me that even if names in the US were taken >> from Google, Google would in turn have had them from TIGER and hence we >> could simply leave them be. I am not convinced of this reasoning but >> willing to hear that case argued. >> >> It is sad that chdr isn't available for comment but I must take their >> silence as an admission of wrongdoing. I will fire off another message >> to them pointing to this thread. >> >> Bye >> Frederik >> >> -- >> Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-us mailing list >> talk...@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >> > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > >
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