W dniu 29.12.2017 o 03:41, Andy Townsend pisze:
Speaking entirely personally, the main issue is just selfishness/laziness.

I wouldn't name it "laziness" or "selfishness", just lack of motivation and I understand why - you have enough motivation to develop your own fork, so it seems to me that you have just different needs (but you still hint us how do you solve different problems, which is helping).

This is also a kind of problem which is hard to solve, because it's not clear to me what makes people do anything more than just opening a ticket.

In case it helps anyone who does want to contribute but doesn't quite know where to start I've added a diary entry https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SomeoneElse/diary/43041 that explains what I needed to do to submit https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/2966 .

Thanks a lot for sharing your experience! I have added this link to the OSM Carto Wiki page.

I'd also not assume that everyone is familar with CSS.  In addition, the somewhat arcane way that some of the selections for layers are done in project.mml is, shall we say, not always that easy to follow.

Of course, but it doesn't sound to me as a major obstacle. I'm not even a coder in any language, all I can do is looking for analogies (with both CSS and SQL parts), testing in Kosmtik and asking if I don't understand something.

There are many "low-hanging fruits", which don't need any special skills, just playing with a code and communicating. There is also a demand for icons for different things and we look for people who can just use Inkscape, which means no coding at all.

Another reason why I've not added more pull requests is that in some cases I don't think that they'd be accepted.

Another reason is I suspect the "jumping through hoops" needed to get something accepted.

With the last two issues it's difficult to know what to suggest

Yes, it's hard to find a solution for such general issues. I still hope we could recognize some other problems, which are more "fixable".

Anyway, I hope the above helps (and please understand that it's not meant as a criticism either of the style or the maintainers - it's just trying to provide answers to the questions that were asked).

Thanks, Andy - that's exactly the kind of the input I expected: personal and detailed. I wait to hear more such real stories, even if they ended up with not even a single line of code.

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"My method is uncertain/ It's a mess but it's working" [F. Apple]


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