Jo, thx. I just looked at all names inside relation 54094 (Brussels-Capital) - 12.691 names without the " - ", and 22,655 with them, so makes perfect sense, thanks! I think it doesn't really matter if default_language is set for the whole Belgium to any specific language, or left undefined, because the region with the higher admin_level, or a non-admin smaller region would overwrite it anyway. Thanks for the explanation!
On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 8:46 AM Jo <winfi...@gmail.com> wrote: > The whole country has 3 official languages. In the north nl is the > official language, in the south fr. And a small area in the east is de. > Brussels is officially bilingual. Hence all names there will be a > combination of fr - nl. > > Normally I would expect Belgium to not have default_language set. You may > have to keep a list of countries where it only makes sense to look at the > next smaller geographic regions. > > I expect the same goes for Switzerland (whole country 3-4 official > languages, but at the next geographic level it is clear which language is > spoken/official for which region). > > I think in most multilingual countries the regions are not so clearly > defined. > > Jo > > 2018-05-09 2:37 GMT+02:00 Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrak...@gmail.com>: > >> Polyglot, thanks! I just ran the list of names for Belgium - >> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/yEj (takes a few minutes and 20MB download). >> It seems that most of the names are single language. Even cities tend to >> be a single language strings, with a few exceptions (e.g. Brussels itself, >> and the country name). >> >> So on one hand, we could set default_language to "nl / fr / de" to match >> the country name format, or to two languages that match "Bruxelles - >> Brussel" ("fr - nl" ?). But in reality, the most helpful value is just a >> single "nl" or "fr" (?), because for almost all "name" tags, there is just >> a single language. The country name is a very rare exception, but it has >> many other name:xx defined anyway, so it is not a problem - if user >> requests "fr" or "nl", there is a name:fr and name:nl. And if user requests >> something that's not defined, at the end it will still fall back to name >> tag. >> >> What do you think? >> >> On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 2:39 AM Jo <winfi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Since there is not 1 language for Belgium and nl;fr;de is not allowed, >>> it won't be possible to set this tag for Belgium. I did set it on the >>> regions/communities. >>> >>> Polyglot >>> >>> 2018-05-08 22:31 GMT+02:00 Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrak...@gmail.com>: >>> >>>> Daniel, I agree - it seems most of the low-zoom Moroccan names are in a >>>> triple-form, and many local names are in a wild mix of french only and >>>> multi-lingual ones: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/yE5 (thx trigpoint & >>>> FredrikLindseth on IRC!) Do you want to change it, or should I? >>>> >>>> Also, there are still about 60 countries without a tag: >>>> http://tinyurl.com/y9382ewv >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 10:59 PM Daniel Koć <daniel@koć.pl> wrote: >>>> >>>>> W dniu 08.05.2018 o 21:31, Yuri Astrakhan pisze: >>>>> >>>>> > This query shows a list of regions that have the new default_language >>>>> > tag (you can multisort column with shift or control clicking the >>>>> > headers). http://tinyurl.com/yd6bx6s3 >>>>> >>>>> What about places like Morocco? Shouldn't it be rather similar to >>>>> Belgium - "fr ber ar" (because the name is "Maroc ⵍⵎⵖⵔⵉⴱ المغرب") than >>>>> just "ar"? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> "My method is uncertain/ It's a mess but it's working" [F. Apple] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> talk mailing list >>>>> talk@openstreetmap.org >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> talk mailing list >>>> talk@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>>> >>>> >>> >
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