i am talking about in my own back yard,
 
i just hiked a mile down the street to check it out, it was not the same when i 
was there in
 
1985, but it did not match the mapper either.
 
to that end, bing is 2015 or 16,
 
as an example the county forest preserve map took from osm, so mappers have 
copied that and it is wrong
 
and how do you see thing under the trees unless you walk it.
 
so who is to say that any of OSM is not fake.
 
if all mappers are tracing.
 
From: john whelan
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2019 1:08 PM
To: 80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru
Cc: OSM Talk
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] is OSM a fake map.
 
I'm fairly lucky in that in the last three years nothing much has changed 
locally.  The highways have stayed much the same.  Most buildings are still 
there.
 
If you use Bing to add things then realistically it fills in gaps in the map.  
If you delete things because they are not in Bing that is a quite different 
matter.
 
Does it matter if the mapper lives more than five miles away?  Well I've mapped 
places a few thousand miles away but they were places I knew very well as I 
used to live there.
 
I don't think OSM will ever be completely accurate.  Having said that it is 
still very useful for many purposes.
 
Cheerio John  
On Sun, 29 Dec 2019, 12:31 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk, < talk@openstreetmap.org > 
wrote:
>it say in some wiki. to correct what you find wrong on the map,
> 
>not one “other nearby users” is a current mapper, and all edits in a 5 mile 
>radius are not coming from an on the ground
> 
>mappers in my area but 20 miles + away and are tracing from bing, and the 
>images on bing in my local area are from
> 
>2016 so i do not see how the map locally is true, and it is not easy to go and 
>see every thing they have done,
> 
>no car or bike.
> 
>every thing i do is backed up by me on mapillary, and in traces. 
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