Given problem is you argue with pictures showing what is under the cap. On the tag page picture - and on the ground - we can't say what is under and if a man can't get down a ladder into a room.
I think all this stuff would require a formal proposal to discuss about vocabulary and have opinions of several people. We need standard definitions more than legal actually. All the best Le lun. 20 avr. 2020 à 01:02, <80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> a écrit : > I am trying to say the tag page is wrong, > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:manhole=telecom > the picture is a fiber optics splice enclosure not a manhole > > https://www.multicominc.com/product/pencell-pem-2436-24x36x24-buried-cable-enclosure/ > https://www.thefoa.org/tech/ref/install/Microtrenching/Pages/25.html > https://www.thefoa.org/tech/ref/appln/Prefab-underground.jpg > > this is a fiber splice manhole, > > https://www.jensenprecast.com/AT-T-Northern-California-a840/Telecom-Utility-Structures/Manholes-p14890/AT-T-4-x4-x4-fiber-optic-Intercept-Manhole-Page-1-of-2-d2315.pdf > > can we change the picture or put both on the same page with the legal > industry names. > https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/manhole > ( a man goes into the hole) [manhole] > > > > Sunday, April 19, 2020 5:02 PM -05:00 from François Lacombe < > fl.infosrese...@gmail.com>: > To me, manhole applies in the two situations. > We should make a distinction between the "cap" visible from the surface > and the facility underground. > Same shape of "cap" (I call it the manhole actually) can hide really > different kind of stuff underground you won't be able to define without > removing the cap. > In OSM, most mappers will only be able to describe what is visible on > surface. So this distinction would really be valuable. > When I look for "cable manhole" in google, I see both pavement and road > manholes. > Then I found this : > https://www.archiexpo.com/prod/dakota-group/product-150519-1693688.html > The body below surface, buried underground would be called a "cable room". > All the best > François > > Le dim. 19 avr. 2020 à 23:14, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk < > talk@openstreetmap.org > <//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3at...@openstreetmap.org>> a écrit : > > this is an enclosure just put in the ground, level 3 fiber. > > https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/mapillary.private.images/4KIBU1qe2CfjtcKtPHegeg/uploaded.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAR47SN3BMII5SHG7V&Expires=1587328637&Signature=8%2FzNiW16zbU9FjWy0JD17cNwIns%3D > https://www.thefoa.org/tech/ref/install/Microtrenching/Pages/25.html > > this is a manhole, ameritech, a t & t. > > https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/mapillary.private.images/dSk9MhzCx0L0AAFzD-WqYQ/uploaded.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAR47SN3BMII5SHG7V&Expires=1587329086&Signature=o%2F0CqAKQC1ltl0F2vCqXVIecRP4%3D > > > https://www.jensenprecast.com/AT-T-Northern-California-a840/Telecom-Utility-Structures/Manholes-p14890/AT-T-4-x4-x4-fiber-optic-Intercept-Manhole-Page-1-of-2-d2315.pdf > > > Sunday, April 19, 2020 3:06 PM -05:00 from Tom Pfeifer < > t.pfei...@computer.org>: > Dear 80hnhtv4agou, > As OpenStreetMap is a worldwide project, we have to agree on a tagging > scheme for an object that > is worldwide comprehensible. > We prefer to use the same tag for the same kind of thing. > Thus we prefer not to introduce synonyms or regional variations. > To make a feature be found more easily, "related terms" can be added in > the wiki. > In the particular case, some friendly colleague has already added ‹buried > cable enclosure› > to the manhole=telecom wiki page. > Kind regards > Tom > > On 19.04.2020 17:20, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:manhole=telecom > > in the united states this is not what it is called, so it was hard for > me to find to use. > > can the name be changed. > > > https://www.multicominc.com/product/pencell-pem-2436-24x36x24-buried-cable-enclosure/ > > to what it is ? > _______________________________________________ > >
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