Am 29.10.2020 um 00:17 schrieb Dave F:
iD editor attracts a hell of a lot of "WTFs", doesn't it? I mean, even its most ardent fan must occasionally raise a Roger Moore eyebrow.I'm not sure why you believe Bryan has or had anything to do with that specific design decision, but he didn't, that happened a substantial time before he had any formal involvement.bhuousel has taken the presumptive decision that the contributor's desired end result will always be a MP relation. This is wrong, plain & simple (& quite arrogant). iD editor should provide tools to allow contributors to make their own decisions as easily as possible & not take them on their behalf.
As has been noted other, editors don't make this assumption.
Other editors don't try to synthesize an area type.
The correct solution to split polygons with tags on the ways is to rejoin those ways, not create a MP.
As I pointed out, the question is -when- to rejoin those ways.
A MP with only one* outer is invalid.
Nope.
* splitting it still means there's only one.Relations were created to allow mapping of entities, not possible with just ways. They aren't meant to be the default for all objects.
See above. Simon
DaveF On 27/10/2020 08:11, Simon Poole wrote:Its done that essentially since day one. As Bryce points out doing so keeps the object a valid "area" (and iD makes a valiant effort to stop you from breaking that).It is also one of my favourite examples in talks why trying to keep things simple for the user is very difficult and some times counterproductive.Lots of people have had the wtf moment when they come along a multi-polgon consisting of just one ring built from two ways. The problem is that once the user has split the polygon, there is no obvious point in time were you can be sure that the user is finished with it and you could simplify, particularly when you are trying to get the user to save often and early. So the simplification for the iD user comes at the expense of wtf's of everybody else.Simon Am 27.10.2020 um 02:05 schrieb Dave F via talk:HiI don't use iD editor much, but I've just discovered it auto-converts closed polygons which are split (Shortcut Key = X) into MP relations.I'm struggling to comprehend a logical reason for this. Is there one? If there's been a previous discussion which I've missed please post a link.There's a couple of threads on iD's github issues, bhousel closed them with "wontfix - I Saw A Thing I Didn't Like (but is valid in OSM).It may be valid, but is it desirable or helpful? I split closed ways, in P2, for various reasons without wanting them to be converted. How many newbies would even know what a MP relation is?Having them as as split tagged ways is just as "valid". More so, considering splitting long ways is desirable.DaveF _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk_______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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