Michael,

If this field ever wants to reach a certain level of maturity, it has to start 
obeying some
grown-up rules, not running around like kinder-garden kids screaming at each 
other : 
“my grand’ma is smaller then your grand’ma..”

That how it all looks to me from the outside now (e.g. NoSQL X scales to the 
level of the … universe… 
and not a bit less..!  :-)

And building reliable benchmarks, is one of the grown-up rules of an industry — 
if nothing else, but to
 understand, in a very unclear/nascent market, what is the usage pattern for 
which each product has been created 
and optimized for. 

I agree with you, building benchmarks is very difficult, indeed.

That’s why you need a REAL third party.

That’s why all the vendors AND their customers have to cooperate, etc.

That’s why you need some good will and transparency.

I hope one day they’ll be mature enough to do that.

Have a great weekend,
Dana






> On Jun 13, 2015, at 2:27 AM, Michael Kay <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> All benchmarks are biased. They are less likely to be biased by business 
> relationships than by skills imbalances. You can’t conduct an unbiased 
> benchmark between two products unless you have the same skill and knowledge 
> level in both, and that’s pretty difficult to achieve.
> 
> Michael Kay
> Saxonica
> 
> 
>> On 12 Jun 2015, at 22:24, daniela florescu <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> 
>> And this is yet another public and very honest answer when I commented that 
>> a “third party” doing a benchmark
>> should not, in theory, have a business relationship with ANY of the vendors. 
>> Otherwise, not credible, so waste of time.
>> 
>> 
>> ==============================================
>> 
>> Daniela - the fact that we are partnered with MarkLogic and Couchbase (so 
>> that we can better serve our clients who use those platforms) has no bearing 
>> on our ability to conduct benchmarks with independence.
>> 
>> 
>> ==========
>> 
>> 
>> I guess it’s not clear to everyone what a “third party benchmark” usually 
>> means  in Computer Science :-))
>> 
>> 
>> Have a great weekend everyone,  best
>> Dana
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