hola sergio i have a great respect for you and the content in your emails over the past few years
maybe i am missing something here, but when i dance the tango i subconsciously am aware of the 8th beat. for me it signals a new round, a new adventure, a new figure, steps, whatever. so if on the say the 6th beat i have finished whatever i have been doing with my partner, then i will basically stand still and allow her the last few beats for adornos etc, so that when i hear the 8th beat i am prepared to set off on a new set of steps. and please, i never count the steps, oscar casas from el beso said something similar, i just know when the count is ending, that the 8th beat is near and it is out with the old and in with something new. but not all the time. i never try to contrive my dancing to always fit in with 8.... several times during a tanda i will synchronise with it, at other times the movements i am doing overrun the 8 beat count, there is no problem. but for me, most of the music you mention i hear an an 8 beat count and melding with those phrases gives me a strong connection to the music cheers tony On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Sergio Vandekier <sergiovandekier...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I am Argentine, I grew up in Villa Urquiza (a neighborhood famous for its > tango clubs). > > I have known most of the great tango teachers and dancers of my time; I never > heard any one once to talk about the 8 or the 4 musical phrase or of any > count of any type. > > You have to recognize where the beat is. You must step on a beat, any beat. > You may dance fast or slowly, you may pause whenever you wish. You may pause > after the first step, or the second, or the third or after any one that you > wish. > > You have to feel the music, some people say that tango is a restrained > emotion that eventually explodes. > > To learn to feel the music you must listen to tangos as much as you can. > Preferable to orchestras like Carlos Di Sarli, Angel D'agostino, osvaldo > Fresedo, Juan D'Arienzo, Miguel Calo, etc. > > What you cannot do is to step off the beat. > > A tango is your creation, it has a beginning a mid portion, a preparation for > the ending and an ending. > > You have to make an interpretation of the music, adjusting somewhat to the > changes in dynamic that it has. > > > There are figures for Adagios (slow moments) and figures for Variations (fast > moments played by the bandoneon). > > The back step is a natural one that occurs when you bring the left foot close > to the right one. Since you alternate both feet, like when you walk, after > that move with your left foot, the natural step next is with your right one. > > This step (depending on many things,... available space behind you, for > instance) may be a real back step, it could be very short or long, or it > could be in place as a weight change. Or it could be a lateral step to the > right, or it could be a forward step, or you could cross it behind your left > one for a right half turn, etc. > > Do you think that any of the following dancers are concerned with any 4 or 8 > or 16 beat phrases or any count of any type? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3zet-EKeo8 Osvaldo zotto > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alcBFsaRoPQ Tete Y silvia > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDKwI0I8xms&feature=related osvaldo y coca > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVTHdM2LRLc&feature=related Orlando Paiva Jr. > > Summary I have taught many foreigners to dance tango, I get them to dance to > the music very fast and I never mentioned any phrase either...but then there > are many ways to dance and many ways to teach. > > So if you like to talk about phrases of the music please do, there is no need > to argue about this. > > Best regards, Sergio > > _________________________________________________________________ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Tango-L mailing list > Tango-L@mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l _______________________________________________ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
