I have been requested to post my response by Nancy 
Ellen Saunders 

>> 
>> From: Saunders Ellen <ellen_l_saund...@me.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace
>> To: "NANCY" <ningle_2...@yahoo.com>
>> Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 5:47 PM
>> 
>> Bravo Nancy!  The Portland community I hope will recover the good manners, 
>> the smooth flow &, cabeceo, it once worked so hard to establish.  The new 
>> athletic types really haven't a clew that us old folks  don't want our 
>> smooth subtle delight to be interrupted by their disruptive performance. We 
>> are not impressed by the high flying feet.  We have come to dance gently 
>> with our beloved partners not play dodge ball.   If the young women need to 
>> say no they can just refuse to look at the men they don't want to embrace. 
>> It would be wonderful if we could feel the flow of the dance floor as if we 
>> were moving respectfully together as one group. In BA a milonga is a social 
>> event where everyone is politely seated to enjoy an evening with friends. It 
>> is not an athletic competition for show offs.  
>> Ellen Saunders
>> On Sep 16, 2010, at 2:10 PM, NANCY wrote:
>> 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > ----- Original Message ----
>> >> From: meaning of life <kushi_bu...@hotmail.com>
>> > 
>> > 
>> >> have you ever considered that some people feel mauled and  threatened 
>> >> (especially good looking females) by the pack of wolves that descend  on 
>> >> them 
>> >> DEMANDING close embrace dances and belittling their hesitation to have  
>> >> their 
>> >> "personal boundries" invaided by "stinky old men"? and this destroys your 
>> >>  
>> >> retention, especially among younger females?
>> > 
>> > 
>> > I guess this means I am not young enough or good-looking enough because 
>> > what I get from those younger nuevo females is a kick, an interception of 
>> > cabeceos meant for me or way-laying of my partner even as we are walking 
>> > onto the floor for a tanda.  On more than one occasion, they even said 
>> > "What?  You would rather dance with her than with me?"   Nice.  And I 
>> > don't care if that is the way you do it in NYC or Portland or LA.  When 
>> > you are in my tango homes, you will please observe the codes of our 
>> > milongas or I might have to teach you a little R-E-S-P-E-C-T.  The "stinky 
>> > old men" know how to treat ladies and they always are fresh and have on 
>> > clean, pressed clothes, with fresh haircuts and freshly shaved faces.  
>> > They are never sweaty or dirty or wearing outlandish costumes or HATS for 
>> > cripe's sake!  And they don't have to watch their feet to dance - they 
>> > know where my feet and their feet are so they watch the other dancers 
>> > around them instead of the
>> > floor.  That's how they avoid crashing into other dancers.  Please, keep 
>> > your good-looking young women away from my old men....if you are man 
>> > enough and a good enough dancer.
>> > 
>> > Nancy
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
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