Exactly I have always said this. Roger -----Original Message----- From: Tim Pogros [mailto:timmyta...@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, 11 October 2015 12:46 PM To: Roger Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Vocals and Dancing
I think of the singers voice as another musical instrument and dance it it. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 10, 2015, at 9:27 PM, Roger <ro...@websa.com.au> wrote: > > HI Lois, Yes, I have heard tango dancers say that the singer "gets in the > way". > They are in the minority. > I only "get into the dance" once the singer starts. > Although I have no idea what they are saying I feel the passion. > Consequently I tend to play more vocals than instrumentals. > Having said I must admit that there are some vocals that are awful and ruin > the tune. > With respect to Gardel, I can think of nothing more respectful than dancing > to the singer. > However, surely we don't dance to Gardel because he uses rubato (push > & pull, resulting in the same beat being in two different places in time, a > fraction of a second apart). > I once tested this at a milonga and played two versions of Mi Buenos Aires > querido by Canaro. > One with Carlos Galan and the other with Gardel. Yes Gardel's voice is > beautiful and rich, but the consensus among the dancers was that Gardel is > not for dancing. > > Roger (Tango Adelaide) > > -----Original Message----- > From: tango-l-boun...@mit.edu [mailto:tango-l-boun...@mit.edu] On > Behalf Of Lois Donnay > Sent: Sunday, 11 October 2015 8:42 AM > To: Tango-L > Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Adios Osvaldo > > I wrote this on a DJ forum recently: "In Buenos Aires, I often ran into > leaders who would not dance to music with singers. They didn't like to say > why, but it was a point of principal. Of course, the DJ's there never play > songs with women singers. I've heard the reason is the singer deserves > respect, so you shouldn't dance to them (kind of like not dancing to Gardel), > and also that the way the singer influences the tempo makes the dance > difficult." > > I got this reply: "I've been spending a lot of my spare time lately retagging > my tango music, adding singers, dates, etc. along with spelling corrections. > > One of those is a set of 20 CDs sold by the DJ at El Beso, that I bought > there back in '02. This is the same set of music Susana Miller takes with > her on her travels. And what set could possibly be described "traditional" > anymore than the music played at El Beso? > > Out of 480 songs (120 tandas), 273 have vocals, and 207 are instrumentals, > and yes, that is including the 40 Pugliese instrumentals. That's almost 60% > vocals. From music selected by the DJ at El Beso for dancing.So when some > Argentine tells you he doesn't dance to vocals, he is either pulling your leg > or is a poser/dilettante." > > And later: > "Yes I’m sure there are dancers who refuse to dance to vocals. My thesis they > are outliers, and are not representative of dancers in BsAs or elsewhere. And > I stand by my hypothesis that they are either joking or posers and > dilettantes. It is inane for a DJ to cater their ignorant whims by limiting > what he/she plays at a milonga." > > And from someone else: > "posers and dilettante" sounds about right to me as well. What does such a > person do when the DJ plays an instrumental as the first song of a tanda and > then plays a vocal? > > Am I way off base here? Any other DJ's out there who have heard of those who > prefer instrumentals? If so, should we respect that or try to change them? > ᐧ > > Lois Donnay > www.mndance.com > 612.822.8436 > > >> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, "Christian Lüthen" < >> christian.luet...@gmx.net> wrote: >> >> Buenas a todos. >> >> Sad news from Buenos Aires: >> Osvaldo {"Coca y Osvaldo Cartery"} died this morning. >> >> Who has met or seen Osvaldo in Buenos Aires during the last years >> could of course imagine that his lungs were terribly il. But his >> death is a hard hit .... >> .. I will always look for him in the Milongas of Buenos Aires. >> >> Continue dancing in heaven, Osvaldo! >> Christian >> >> >> "OSVALDO Y COCA CARTERY... Tengo una pregunta para Ustedes" por Pepa >> Palazon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW33y6WcpyU >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE_iB6olh3w >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfSXdkalcgM >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5eRb-gFOB8 >> >> >> >> . >> _______________________________________________ >> Tango-L mailing list >> Tango-L@mit.edu >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l > _______________________________________________ > Tango-L mailing list > Tango-L@mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Tango-L mailing list > Tango-L@mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l _______________________________________________ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
