On Wednesday 09 October 2002 19:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Seems like this thread has gone beyond "lively debate".
>

 [...]

> So, of course, they are going to take offence when
> someone comes in and calls them obstinate idiots.

No... not really, people call me a obstinate idiot all the time :-)

 [...]

> If you have valid points to make, make them.  Give
> examples.  You're the Phd, you should know how to defend
> yourself verbally.  Just don't expect your every whim to
> be implemented.

Your idea of moving some of the specification to the HTML template seems ok, 
just as long as it still looks like HTML.
I think it works best to components that emulate HTML elements, eg:

<input type="text" name="foobar" jwcid=":TextField:foobar_expression">


> And has Marc struck a nerve? 

I think Marc overestimated his abilities and expected instant gratification 
from Tapestry.
When I started to learn Tapestry I had similar reactions, the complex 
orquestration of elements one must manage to make even a simple page was at 
the time very infuriating, but Tapestry looked so good that I just bite the 
bullet, and silenced my bruised ego.


> Is Tapestry just too
> difficult for newbies?  And if so, will better docs
> help, or do we need to shift directions?

Like I said in a previous email I come from a ASP/VB background - I had the 
Java handicap - and for me it was difficult, but it was manageable.
Better docs are always welcome.
I don't think Tapestry needs a shift in directions, at least not a direction 
that will make a mess of the HTML templates.


Best regards,

Luis Neves




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