Don't get me wrong, HLS is a really smart guy for being the first to come up
with Tapestry and applying some of the Swing/Desktop concepts to something that
works on the web.
Unfortunately, as Java is such a commodity market, other frameworks will pop up
that build off of Tapestry and other ideas; and HLS has been doing a great job
of continuing to drive innovation.
-- Jacob
A more plausible case is many different UIs, designed differently to
fit their medium, sharing the same back end. JSF won't help you with
that any more than any other framework.
Are you sure about that one? JSF opens up a horizontal market for
vendors and
open source developers such that there's a much higher degree of re-
use and
collaboration allowed in the request stack.
Yes, I am sure. What I'm skeptical about is whether components built
on the JSF model will make good rich GUI apps. The reason one writes
a Swing app is to take advantage of exactly the sorts of things that
JSF abstracts away (e.g. a fully asynchronous event model -- and
please don't try to tell me that JSF has one). I have yet to be
convinced that JSF can actually be used to build a Swing application
that doesn't feel like a usability hoax.
I am probably ignorant and completely off-base, but discussion isn't
likely to convince me. What's needed is some examples that prove me
wrong. Show me an awesome rich GUI app with a tidy codebase written
with JSF, and I'll be convinced.
In short, none of us have a crystal ball that you don't.
My eight-ball tells me otherwise.
So I noticed! You are clearly a JSF True Believer. And to your
credit, Facelets are clearly thinking about the developer usability
issues that currently make JSF cumbersome to work with.
I'm not a true believer in JSF, Tapestry, or any other existing web
framework, and I don't spend much time looking into 8-balls. But on a
practical note, it's worth noting that just a few weeks ago, already
knowing Struts & JSP, I spent four or five days experimenting with
JSF, found it cumbersome and unsatisfying, tried Tapestry instead,
liked it, and chose it for my current project. And even though the
skills I'm acquiring won't help me build telnet applications, I still
somehow manage to sleep soundly at night.
Cheers,
Paul
--
Jacob Hookom - Minneapolis
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