Vjeran Marcinko wrote: > Personally, I'm very careful about using tools, because they are : > - one more thing one has to learn to use
As opposed to learning one more dialect of xml? I'll use the gui, thanks. :) > - one more thing that can have bugs Very true. > - one more thing that has to be sinchronized with underlying > library/framework, so sometimes you end up waiting for new tool release > just to be able to finally use this new releease of that library (for > eg, I haven't used JDK1.5 untill there was proper support in form of > IDEA5.0, or Eclipse 3.1) This is a good point... I'd wager there's a fairly large group of tapestry users who will wait to use 4.0 until spindle supports it. :) I think this is really the biggest reason cayenne folks hit on the modeler so much; it is maintained by the same people who write the library, and kept in sync with the library by them. The current modeler always supports the current library code; they're even released in the same download. So, with cayenne's modeler, as opposed to some of the tools available for hibernate, there is no waiting for the modeler to be in sync with the underlying library. You don't, of course, /have/ to use the modeler, but it can definitely save a lot of time in your design process. Cayenne definitely has a lot of other good points going for it, though. :) I find it very easy and natural to use, and the performance is good. I don't ever have to worry about "how to get a session" or accessing non-faulted relationships after the session is closed, etc. Generally, I like cayenne because it lets me get the job done quickly. Under the hood", the engine is clean. :) Robert > > -Vjeran > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Tapestry users" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:30 PM > Subject: Re: Back to Tapestry after an Year > > >> <Beating a dead thread department :-)> >> I feel the same way about heavy-UI tools. They hide too much of what's >> going >> on for my tastes. I live in an emacs-ish editor most of my day. (I >> confess >> to using Eclipse once every month or two for debugging.) >> >> The cayenne modeller is more like the car's electric starter. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Konstantin Ignatyev" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Tapestry users" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 12:54 PM >> Subject: Re: Back to Tapestry after an Year >> >> >>> I did not used Cayene and said about 'emphasis on >>> Modeller' because every Cayene proponent puts Modeller >>> first in the list of cool things about it. >>> Being in IT long enough makes me very skeptical about >>> UI 'heavy' things ( VB IDE and VB as a language, >>> Windows OS) >>> >>> >Kind of like saying, this car comes with wheels >>> > which is exactly why I will NOT buy it. >>> >>> Not at all, I was saying: all the salesmans scream and >>> praise Stereo in the car and exterior trim - hmm, >>> probably engine sucks: underpowered and does not last >>> long. >>> >>> According to Bryan it is not the case, but that is my >>> reaction anyway. >>> But if Modeller to be "wheels" of Cayene then I would >>> expect big troubles down the road for Cayene users. >>> >>> PS: I love tools, just do not trust them at all. >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
