Nope, it is not DB to blame.


--- "Yu, Ed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've to agree. Seeing the software stack, I can
> definitely point to the
> database as the most probable candidate for failure.
> I've been using and
> managing Postgresql database for a little while (not
> as much as Oracle) and
> I can definitely say that features available might
> not be a best fit for
> applications like TSS. 
> 
> My understanding is that if you have to use text
> search capability, you have
> to probably use database specific functions and
> queries that might not be
> available thru JDBC and that depending on versions
> of the JDBC driver (and
> the database), your performance varies.
> 
> In addition, hearing from Howard's description of
> the backend schema
> containing only a handful of tables, you're
> definitely going to run into
> bottlenecks because there are only those handful of
> tables serving thousands
> of users concurrently.
> 
> What seems strange is that the decision of using
> Postgresql (which does not
> support clustering to load balance) as the backend
> to support a cluster of
> app servers seems mysterious to me. Don't
> misunderstand me, I love
> Postgresql, and I know its capabilities and limits.
> And I simply don't think
> it is appropriate for this kind of loads. Anyway,
> just me 2 cents.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Konstantin Ignatyev
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:44 AM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Re: TheServerSide.com moving away from
> Tapestry?
> 
>
http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=36654#185568
> 
> That IMO says exactly (although indirectly) what
> does
> not work and why TSS cannot tell directly what the
> problem is.
> 
> 
> 
> --- Benjamin Tomasini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > It *could* get really ugly.  But from the tone of
> > the discussions, it 
> > looks like the TSS folks are taking a very
> balanced
> > and honest approach.
> > 
> > There was one ad hominem post that just listed the
> > "culprits" without 
> > any kind of logical support.  Joseph seemed to
> take
> > care of that well.
> > 
> > The best way to answer any unfounded blame is to
> ask
> > for meaningful data 
> > behind any presented analysis.  If TSS keeps this
> > up, I think the 
> > Tapestry community, and the Java community as a
> > whole will be served 
> > well.  I still have faith that the OSS community
> is
> > a mertiocracy, and 
> > that over the long run, merit wins out over
> > marketing and FUD.
> > 
> > We'll see.
> > 
> > I did try to post something like this on TSS, but
> I
> > couldn't login. :)
> > 
> > Ben
> > 
> > Geoff Longman wrote:
> > 
> > >I understand. It's just that nobody is standing
> up
> > for Tapestry and
> > >you are the only one with enough information to
> do
> > that without
> > >sounding like an idiot.
> > >
> > >I realize there's a fine line to tread to avoid
> > things degenerating
> > >into  fingerpointing. But the way I see it, the
> > longer TechTarget is
> > >in trouble the more likely it is that they will
> > start looking for
> > >scapegoats. I'm sure the people in there are
> > working hard to solve the
> > >problems. But what if another 3 weeks go by
> without
> > improvement? I
> > >would expect at that point the insiders will go
> > into "save my butt"
> > >mode and shift blame to anything and everything
> > they can to save thier
> > >jobs.
> > >
> > >I could get really ugly.
> > >
> > >Geoff
> > >
> > >On 9/23/05, Howard Lewis Ship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >  
> > >
> > >>These posts about TSS are troubling.
> > >>
> > >>The basic issue is that I signed on with The
> > Middleware Company to do
> > >>a number of phases of development of
> > TheServerSide.com. The first
> > >>phase was the basic translation of the site to a
> > component object
> > >>model, leaving all the functionality unchanged.
> > >>
> > >>At the same time this was occuring, a seperate
> > team was converting the
> > >>backend access from entity EJBs to Solarmetric
> > Kodo.
> > >>
> > >>In the end, I had less than a week to integrate
> > the two before going
> > >>live.  And yet, for the most part, the result
> was
> > quite succesful.
> > >>
> > >>However, with the acquisition of The Middleware
> > Company by Tech
> > >>Target, my involvement with TSS came to an end;
> > the later, more
> > >>interesting phases, where we simplified the
> stack
> > and built
> > >>considerable UI improvements, has not come to
> > pass.  All I've seen is
> > >>the introduction of more and more ads on the
> site.
> > >>
> > >>I can't talk to the root problem today; I don't
> > know it ... I do know
> > >>that Tapestry is doing exactly what its supposed
> > to be doing, that the
> > >>functionality problems (missing posts and such)
> > are a problem at the
> > >>application layer (the stateless session bean
> used
> > to manage
> > >>transactions) and the interaction between that
> > layer, Kodo, Coherence,
> > >>WebLogic and the database. In fact, given the
> > simplicity of the
> > >>database schema (just six or eight tables) I
> > suspect the problem
> > >>really is in the configuration and integration
> of
> > these elements.
> > >>
> > >>Based on what I've read, and some high level
> > discussions I had with
> > >>them last winter, I believe TechTarget is
> building
> > a single enterprise
> > >>wide solution for all their many web sites.,
> > migrating away from the
> > >>Tcl-based Vignette solution used by the majority
> > of their sites, as
> > >>well as the Tapestry-based solution for TSS.com
> > and TSS.net.  All I
> > >>know about the solution is that it will be based
> > on JEE (assuming that
> > >>hasn't changed since our discussions).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>On 9/22/05, Matt Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >>    
> > >>
> >
>
>>>http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=36654
> 
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Konstantin Ignatyev




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rainforest, create seventy-two miles of desert, eliminate between forty to one 
hundred species, erode seventy-one million tons of topsoil, add 2,700 tons of 
CFCs to the stratosphere, and increase their population by 263,000

Bowers, C.A.  The Culture of Denial:  Why the Environmental Movement Needs a 
Strategy for Reforming Universities and Public Schools.  New York:  State 
University of New York Press, 1997: (4) (5) (p.206)

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