Hello Thomas, >>>>> I don't want any red windows. I'm not user v1.0, the log is enough. DE>>>> Sorry you are wrong here. >>> Interesting. I checked again and I still don't want any red windows. KV>> Unfortunately, it is not about you. > No, it's about Gmail's non-standard behaviour. This is a non-issue for > most people.
No, you are wrong. It is about LETTING THE USER KNOW if there is an error in receiving mails. KV>> I am sure, that your majesty reads all programs' manual, all fineprint KV>> of the credit cards and medicines. > No need to be sarcastic. It won't help the discussion and development > of ideas. Why, being selfish does? KV>> The same applies here. You can be suspicious. I dont want to be. I and KV>> the other 99.9% of the users of TB want to be notified about problems. KV>> (I know, believe me, shit falls down to me and I believe, to Marek, KV>> too, if TB has a glitch. Glitch: for example unfixed bugs in the last KV>> version of TB, that had C/S support.) And want to know how to deal KV>> with it. > We are not talking about a glitch or bug in TB!. TB! is WAD. The > discussion is about whether the design needs to be changed in order to > cater to one non-standard email provider. I say no, you say yes. Fine. Thomas: please read again the thread. Read your mails. It is not about GMail anymore. It is about IF THE MAILS ARE NOT IMPORTED FOR ANY REASON, the log is not enough. >>>>> Please don't let TB! go the way for the stupidest user imaginable. KV>> Unfortunately, TB is a commercial product. It HAS TO BE PREPARED KV>> for everybody, including the "stupidest" user. Dont forget: you KV>> can be a stupidest user of ... e.g. a car, a chemical, a KV>> prescription drug, etc. > Not everybody lives in a country where "this product may be hot" has > to be printed on a hot coffee cup in big red letters. Who you are talking about? What I talk about: nobody is expert in everything. Not everybody wants to know how everything works. E.g. I know how caffeine works in your body. You just drink the coffee. I bet, you did not know that it is its metabolite that responsible for its effect, right? (Dont Google it now.) I am a chemist, you are not. We are different. DE>>>> What if you have gone away from your computer for a cup of DE>>>> coffee. A message of two could not be saved because of space. DE>>>> Then because of a process that you are running e.g. a clean up, DE>>>> space becomes available it can then download the next set of DE>>>> messages. >>> Then the message will be downloaded whne the space is available. It is KV>> Aha. Say an important message cannot be downloaded because of this. KV>> And you agree with this. Interesting business attitude... > If there is no space in your harddisk, you will have other problems. > And, if it happens so regularly that you need your email client to > tell you, you should review your policies with regards to disk space > usage. Shit man, try to understand that NOT EVERYBODY wants to be an expert. Am I vulgar now? Yes. I deal with users of TB every day. And this kind of "small" issues will kill TB on the long run. KV>> Dont forget: TB is used by corporate users. TB is a business tool for KV>> them. Not glitches allowed. Or if recognized, must be fixed. > Correct, but there is no glitch here. Ok, then something that can be improved on. Easily. >>> only on Gmail that this doesn't work, so don't use Gmail.Don't give me >>> red windows for all my accounts just because of Gmail's non-standard >>> behaviour. KV>> We moved over GMail a long time ago. This conversation is about failed KV>> import of messages FOR ANY REASON. > The reason is Gmail... If a message is not imported, why does Gmail > prevent a second download attempt? I suggest to change email > provider, as TB! already re-downloads by default. Only Gmail doesn't > let it. BUT: the user should know about if the mail download is UNSUCCESSFUL for any reason. DE>>>> In this case the warning would have gone past in the status bar, DE>>>> you would not have noticed. >>> I don't want to, because TB! attempts to downlaod the message again >>> until it has been successfully imported into the message base. KV>> Nonsense... > Really? You seem to know about the inner workings of TB! than Stefan, > who said the same - and it is my experience also. Yes, I've been in > the situation that one or more mails couldn't be imported, no problem: > TB! downloaded them again next time. Of course, I don't use Gmail. I used the word "nonsense" for that it is acceptable for you to wait until a mail can be downloaded. What if it cannot be downloaded for hours??? DE>>>> And you call this a 'stupid' user. DE>>>> I would like a warning box with some detail, if necessary it can DE>>>> be switched off for the 'intelligent' users. >>> Turn it off by default. KV>> No. Hardwire it in. > Just in case somebody uses Gmail... Nice suggestion. If I would read this conversation to my 5 year olds, they would understand that IT IS NOT ABOUT GMAIL... Should I spell it? Vili ________________________________________________________ Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
