Hello, the Bat! list recipients,
Wednesday, January 12, 2000, Steve Lamb wrote to Oleg Zalyalov about
suggestion- / wish-list:
>> It can do any task at hand depending on user skills even with no need
>> to change configuration. Just visit Kizhi for an example.
SL> Then why hold it up as an argument against a single tool? :P
Because it's an argument for a single tool: TheBat! for all tasks
regarding mail management.
SL> This is not true. The "common" shortcuts often are implemented
SL> differently in each program. How they behave is different.
SL> Furthermore, when you get used to one editor and switch to another
SL> at some point you find yourself wishing for some feature in the
SL> first editor even though at the onset you didn't expect to need
SL> that feature. Case in point, how many "wouldn't it be nice if x
SL> editor did this like y editor" suggestions do you see for the
SL> different editors floating around? Another...
It has nothing to do with the problem we are discussing. For any
developer of any soft there always will be wishes. Very few of them
will be original. Most of them will be in the form "wouldn't it be
nice if x software did this like y software".
And that is not implementation we are discussing. The thread began
with that you said that you don't want to have another interface
switching to another editor.
Again:
>> I just meant that at every task I do implement I will need only
>> 1/Nth part of the SuperEditor (vim?). I don't think that it is
>> better to spawn another process which first will decide which task
>> it spawned for to configure itself in proper way and to load only
>> what I need now then just to have a standartized interface within
>> built-in editor.
SL> I have used paragraph reformat in my perl coding. ;)
Maybe it is not editor that you need? Maybe you need some lego to let
you make your editor? I think that scripting is not a panacea because
as any interpreter it is not much of efficiency by the definition. I
prefer pre-compiled code.
SL> No, word processing isn't just ASCII text.
How about HTML messages?
SL>>> Funny, vim uses no CNTL-ALT-SHIFT combonations. I also don't
SL>>> consider it bloated compared to reimplementing the same basic
SL>>> editor 20 times.
>> Don't vim use standard windows edittext object? I'm sure TB! does.
SL> No, it doesn't. TB! does.
Than it is vim bloating system by reimplementing the same basic
editor, while TB! doesn't.
SL> OTOH that is because it is trying to conform to the standard CUA
SL> model as well as add its extensions to it. Why do you think I
SL> advocate a common editor based on *USER CHOICE*.
Didn't noted that. I thought you advocate vim. Than all you need is
user definable keys in TB!'s editor?
>> I mean QuickTemplates e.g. containing %OATTACHEMENTS macro. How?
SL> What is that?
Mistype. I meant %OATTACHMENTS. How to implement QT containing
%OATTACHMENTS with external editor?
>> I don't know 20 different keystrokes just to del line. I use Shift-Dn,
>> Del. Works on all comprehensive editors I know (I don't use UNIX).
SL> That is the CUA standard.
Exactly.
SL> It also is not deleting a line, it is marking
SL> text and deleting text. There is no "delete line" in CUA.
Yes, because there is no need in it any more. Because delete line is a
relict of FORTRAN, ASM and EDLIN epoch when there were no blocks
and shift-arrow marking.
SL> delete line
SL> dd - vim
SL> d, down arrow - vim
SL> c$ - vim
SL> c, down arrow - vim
SL> ^Y - wordstar (& joe)
SL> mark & delete
SL> v, down, d - vim
SL> ^Kb, down, ^Kk,^Ky - joe
Oops wordstar again. Also borland (inprise I meant), TB! and so on.
Just another editor interface standard.
You are saying that to TB! developers it is better to concentrate on
mailer and leave editing to external editor. Will that mean that
internal editor will be removed? Than it will mean that I will be
forced to learn another editor. If not than TB! authors will still
have to improve editor as well, but they will have to add another
feature which will not mean more concentration on mailer functions.
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Best regards,
Oleg Zalyalov. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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