Thanks for clarifying your visceral fear. :) On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Bryan Davis <bd...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Max Binder <mbin...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Bryan Davis <bd...@wikimedia.org> > wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Max Binder <mbin...@wikimedia.org> > wrote: > >> > Someone suggested Trello, since it is lightweight and connects with > >> > automation tools like IFTTT. There is concern about using another > >> > Phab-like > >> > tool, that isn't Phab, at the same time as Phab. > >> > >> Please, please, please don't bring back use of the Trello zombie. I > >> also don't understand at all how Trello is more "light weight" than > >> Phab. > > > > Yea, I think some folks simply prefer one tool to another based on > personal > > comfort. I don't necessarily have a problem with folks using outside > tools > > if it makes them more productive, so long as it doesn't > > > > alienate the team > > alienate the volunteers > > cause confusion by having multiple sources of truth (especially across > > tools) > > > > Ultimately, the problem I initially posed is probably best solved by > > personal accountability. If you like post-its on your wall, great. > Notepad > > you can cross out? Sure! Trello board for personal tasks? Have at it. The > > issue that remains, however, is other folks seeing those to-dos... > > For personal todo lists I agree that people should use whatever works > for them. My (probably uncalled for) anti-Trello outburst was based on > the assumption that you were looking for a standard tool and workflow > for a WMF team or teams. We picked Phabricator to replace Bugzilla at > least in part on the promise that it was a more flexible tool that > could replace the ever growing proliferation of task tracking systems > that the Foundation was acreeting as each team made personal choices > on how to manage their work. This caused a lot of pain for anyone who > worked on multiple teams or was just trying to keep track of issues > that crossed from team to team. > > A team using Trello to track retrospective commitments is probably no > worse than the current state I would expect of them being bullet > points in a google doc somewhere. My visceral fear is that it would be > a gateway drug for some teams however to slide back into tracking real > projects outside of Phabricator. > > Bryan > -- > Bryan Davis Wikimedia Foundation <bd...@wikimedia.org> > [[m:User:BDavis_(WMF)]] Sr Software Engineer Boise, ID USA > irc: bd808 v:415.839.6885 x6855 > > _______________________________________________ > teampractices mailing list > teampractices@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/teampractices >
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