I agree that it's a good idea, and I'd be happy to shut down Ubernode.org when it's working.
Ubernode.org is a hack, to help ensure people can connect. It's not a faux-opennet, but it's not optimal, either. I'd be happy to shut it down. iFreed is a community-based site, which would survive, but change a bit. SinnerG would have to make that call. That said, I do agree with toad, that there should be a reason for people to still use the darknet, to help ensure that a number of people still DO use the Darknet. I proposed one way to help ensure this- Expose the work freenet is doing to get through NAT, track IP, etc, to other programs, by forwarding packets from other programs, acting as a Hamachi-style server. This helps to ensure people actually connect via the darknet, and actually connect //With their friends//. -Colin On Jul 9, 2006, at 2:02 PM, Ian Clarke wrote: > I think it is clear to most people that the lack of an opennet > option is proving to be a major inhibitor to adoption. What we > have learned in practice is that if you only give a darknet option > to people who are clearly willing to connect to strangers, then > they will create their own opennet using kludges like ifreed.net > and ubernode.org. Most Freenet users appear happy to connect to > strangers, this isn't surprising, nor is it undesirable. The goal > of 0.7 was *never* to force everyone to form connections manually, > the goal was to provide that option to those that want it. > > I believe that Freenet 0.5-style "destination sampling" should work > fine in conjunction with darknet connection swapping, as both > algorithms have proven themselves robust in practice. We should > simulate this to be sure. > > I really think we need to up the priority of opennet, as I think > currently we are squandering interest in Freenet by forcing people > to manually create connections to users. > > Ian. > _______________________________________________ > Tech mailing list > Tech at freenetproject.org > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tech
