* Magnus Eriksson <magetoo at fastmail.fm> [2006-07-12 06:47:20]:

> On Tue, 11 Jul 2006, Ken Snider wrote:
> 
> >Colin Davis wrote:
> 
> >But what if one of the reasons for the Mandatory build is that the prior 
> >client was doing something unhealthy to the network? Or that some 
> >fundamental routing change was made that causes them to be unable to 
> >"speak" the same protocol any longer?
> >
> >That's why I had suggested some form of updates-only protocol that could 
> >be long-lived.
> 
>   Or in other words, "some form of new attack vector that could be hard to 
> fix".
> 

No, some protocol changes, that's all.

> 
>   I'm puzzled by the attitude towards this.  We have a network designed to 
> safely disseminate data.  Periodically, the node needs to safely fetch 
> data.  I'm sorry, is the solution too obvious?
> 
>   Face it.  Either the network is good enough (and robust enough) to allow 
> people to get their updates through the network itself, or it isn't.  And 
> if the developers don't trust the network enough to even distribute 
> updates to the software, why should I as a user even bother?
> 

We are already doing it...
The problem with mandatory releases is that as soon a node has fetched the 
full update, it WILL update and won't talk to older builds... thereby the 
content won't spread.

> 
>   The fact that this is even an issue (and that the mandatory builds are 
> so common) should be a cause for any potential user to think twice if 
> this, that is, Freenet, really is the way to go.
> 
> 

Freenet is still in alpha stage ... Should we slow down the development
process on the behalf that some users aren't willing to update ?

> 
> Some sort of disclosure: I do not currently use Freenet.  I do like 
> Freenet though, I think it's the best thing currently available (more or 
> less..) for anonymous communication and publication.  And I would very 
> much like to use it in the future, if I can.  I'm not here to flame.
> 
>

Then install it and you'll see that the update-over-freenet mechanism
performs well. Updating over mandatory builds isn't implemented yet,
that's all.

NextGen$
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