On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 09:09:10PM +0300, Jusa Saari wrote: > On Tue, 09 May 2006 00:12:47 +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > When did you try it last? :) > > Well... It has been a while. Maybe I'll give it a try again, when and if > 0.7 non-darknet version becomes available.
Interesting (and common) attitude... connecting to a bunch of strangers through opennet is better than connecting to a bunch of strangers through darknet how? > > > Frost is primarily about boards, and it can't be easily gatewayed to > > regular email because it doesn't have the same features. Something that > > Actually, it does. Assuming email-over-Freenet is going to use the > insert/request model (and not some kind of direct messaging), then it's > going to require message senders inserting messages with guessable keys > and message receivers polling for them. Basically, any email-over-Freenet > application is going to be, in essence, a message board. Fundamentally yes. That doesn't mean it uses the same data formats and has the same features. It doesn't for example mean it uses one queue per board. > > > could be would be useful; we could gateway the lists, for instance, and > > save people the considerable trouble of setting up 2-way mixmaster > > accounts. It's also been specifically asked for by rguerra, who has > > considerable experience and contacts amongst people working in dark > > places. > >> > >> Or, if you want to use an email program for communication, add POP > >> protocol to Frost. It is open source, after all. > > > > Frost doesn't do the same thing as email. > > Yes, it does. It lets me send a message to another human being over > Freenet. That is what email does. Frost is many:many and doesn't support email headers. Because of the latter it can't easily be gatewayed to real email. Because of the former it is inefficient for 1:1 use. > > Simply setup a board to act as your inbox, tell it to people along with > your public (Frost) key, and you're done. > > You aren't going to get a direct 1-to-1 mapping with regular > Internet e-mail with Freenet, since there's no way to send messages > directly from one host to another. I don't see why we can't have a 1:1 mapping. It may not be very efficient and elegant, but it's been done before. In 0.8 we will use various mechanisms to make it more efficient, but IMHO these should probably be passive requests rather than 1:1 connections. > Currently, the only way to deliver > a message from one user to another is to insert the message under a > guessable key (which, for people to insert anything to it, must be known); > Frost does this. Frost also lets you crypt the messages so that only the > intended recipient will be able to read them. Any and all possible > Freemail implementations *must* do both things to be usefull, so not using > Frost would be a waste of resources. See the arguments advanced in this and the other email. -- Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/tech/attachments/20060510/436f3f9c/attachment.pgp>
