>> Basically, we have a pattern, mostly observed with kde (and a bit with >> gnome) which is really harmful for us. > >> They occupy a few people in our team FULLTIME with respect to gnome, they're >> the reason we still DON'T have a full kde4 in our tree (hopefully to be >> addressed shortly), and they're the reason why sometimes we do drop old >> stuff (like killing gtk+1, and people really wanting to kill some gtk2/qt3 >> stuff). > >> It's also quickly turning Posix and Unix into a travesty: either you have >> the linux goodies, or you don't. And if you don't, you can forget anything >> modern... >> > > Not to disparage the hard work by Antoine and others on Gnome and KDE, but if > upstream are going to entwine their code with non-standard OSs, then why > bother with them? If everyone but the mainstream Linux distros dropped their > projects, it seems a more likely way of getting through to the upstream > developers than joining their project or sending them emails.
eventually they get the message but sometimes its too late. > > I use Joe's Window Manager, it compiles in less than a minute straight from > the sources with no patching or tweaking. I don't have semi-transparent > windowbars and I had to make a couple of tweaks so I could hear a "beep" when > I get an IM, apart from that, what can a "modern" window manager do that is > worth the some porter's pain (and extra 10-20% cpu consumption to run) anyway? > > Stuff like X is a different matter, if upstream must be battled, I would say > send the troops to defend what is hard to do without, not what is easy to do > without. I care about some things in kde4 like kdevelop/kate, educational apps for kids (very few mainstream distros bother for children), for qt4/5 the ability to write a single code for mobile + desktop amongst some things. There are some things in the big WMs which are missing in JWM :-) Probably other guys have different motivations.
