On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 14:32:31 +0100 Jason McIntyre <j...@kerhand.co.uk>:
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 10:12:35AM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > On 2021/10/27 17:44, David Gwynne wrote: > > > > > > > benno@ suggested I look at vether(4) to adapt the text related to > > > > bridge(4) but I'm not sure how to rewrite it properly for veb(4). > > > > > > i get that, but for a different reason. im too close to veb/vport, so i > > > think it's all very obvious. > > > > > > maybe we could split the first paragraph into separate ones for veb > > > and vport, and flesh them out a bit. what is it about vport that > > > needs to be said? > > > > I'm not so close to veb/vport (and haven't run into a situation to use > > it yet, though maybe I'll give it a try converting an etherip/ipsec > > bridge that I have). I think it's pretty obvious too, though I think > > people aren't grasping what "the network stack can be connected" means, > > would the diff below help? it feels a bit more like spelling things out > > than is usual for a manual page but maybe that's needed here. > > > > for ifconfig I would be in favour of _not_ listing all the possible > > cloneable interface types that can be used with create, it's just another > > thing to get out of sync - maybe just a few of the common ones and tell > > the reader about ifconfig -C at that point.. "ifconfig create" barely > > seems necessary except possibly for tun/tap - for most interface types > > you are going to run another ifconfig command (like "ifconfig veb0 add > > em0") which creates the interface automatically anyway. > > > > hi. > > i agree with staurt about "create": this list was once short and made > sense. now it just keeps going out of date, without providing any help > to the reader. i don;t want to stack diff on diff, but maybe once the > veb stuff is sorted i will zap the create list. > > that strategy does rely on individual driver docs saying upfront that > they can be created though, even if using create is not common. i wonder if > ifconfig already knows what it can create, and could maybe be more > helpful if "create" without an ifname gave a hint. > > anyway, to that end i'm ok with solene's diff. > I agree about ifconfig(8), if it's incomplete this is more misleading than helping, and hints in the devices man pages about using ifconfig/hostname.if are a very helpful and won't rot.
