Thanks for the useful information everyone. We are going to keep working on getting farsight2 and telepathy-farsight working. We apologize if we haven't been doing things the open source way. We are just a couple students who are new to the open source world. We're still learning how to do things. I look forward to talking to some of you further to figure out the problems in our project.
-Taylor Rose OVC Devel Team On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Kevin Mark <kevin.m...@verizon.net> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 12:59:28PM +0100, Sjoerd Simons wrote: > <snip> > > Earlier this year we did some changes in both farsight and Gstreamer > which > > caused issues when combining certain versions of the two. Ofcourse if you > had > > raised the issue you were seeing with us at the time we could have helped > you > > out there... > > > > > So at this point we need help from the upstream. Without either the > > > Gstreamer bug fixed or some help using Farsight we are at an impasse. > We > > > would appreciate any help from upstream community members. Feel free > to > > > pull our repo and check out our code. If you're unfamiliar with the > XO's > > > you should know that the code requires the Sugar environment to run. > > You raise good points. It is quite a change of perspetive to join a group > that > expect you to 'bother' them and pick their brain, as opposed to a community > where people do things in isolation. So I would guess that the people > leading > the course and the students are learning how to fix this process as fast as > they can but have missed some things. Hopefully you and they can critque it > and > find ways to get the TOS program even more engaged in the FLOSS way more. > It > will benefit the course and the FLOSS community. > > > > > So at this point i need to go of on a bit of a rant. I did check out your > code > > and it looks like "My first video conferencing application", which is > fair > > enough really as for most if not all of you it will be your first video > > conferencing application. > > > > It is sad though that a project that afaik is partially meant to teach > how to > > do open source development seems to have completely failed at actually > using > > open source properly. > > > > The power of FOSS is partially that you can stand on the shoulders of > giants > > and that you can work together to move the state of the art forward in > > such a way that it benefits all parties. As an added benefit, in most > active > > projects there are always some people that are happy to help you with the > > initial learning curve and/or issues you're having. > > > > What i've seen from this project over the past few months is someone once > or > > twice appearing on our IRC channel, scattergunning a load of questions, > getting > > some help and then disappearing again. Which doesn't seem like a great > way of > > engaging an open source project... To make matters worse at the end of > march i > > sent an e-mail to some of your projects leads, asking how things were > going and > > if any mentoring or other help was needed, to which i've never got any > reply.. > > Seems like they missed a much-needed oppurtunity there. > > Again, I hope you and they can meet to discuss how they could have better > taught this point and ways they can convey to the students how to engage > projects in a way that you feel is appropriate. > > > > > Judging from looking at your code and the experiences above, your project > > worked in the same way a lot of companies that don't actually understand > open > > source work. You grabbed various open source bits that were available > and that > > you could get to work without spending too much effort on them, wrote > > your program in somewhat of a vacuum, slapped a nice open source license > on it > > and said: look, look, we did open source isn't it amazing... > > I dont expect the course to be static, I assume they will learn as they go > and > will do better next time with feedback like you have given. They are trying > to > get people engaged in the FLOSS community, so hopefully the students have > felt > the excitment and will work to grow our community. > > > > > > What you seem to have ended up with is a stepping stone that allowed you > to > > look over the fence that was directly in front of you, only to see there > is a > > big and dense jungle on the other side blocking your path. While you > could > > have been part of an expedition with many years of combined experience on > how > > to get through such a jungle... > > -- > | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux ==.| http://kevix.myopenid.com......| > | : :' : The Universal OS....| mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/.| > | `. `' http://www.debian.org/.| http://counter.li.org [#238656]| > |___`-____Unless I ask to be CCd,.assume I am subscribed._________| > >
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