On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 13:48 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote: > Hello, > > I and Lukas Brabec have worked on our Test Day kickstart: > > * Lukas has created a welcome screen (based on LiveCD welcome screen) which > should make super-easy to participate in the test day. It opens up the wiki > page and the IRC chat in a browser. Behold: http://i.imgur.com/4ePuB1w.png > > * I have tried to strip all unimportant packages to make the image as small > as possible. The reasoning is that bandwidth is important for many people and > we should keep just the most important stuff in the kickstart. If the Test > Day host team needs additional packages, they will simply adjust the > kickstart and add what they need, overriding the defaults. Currently we are > at 680 MB (the default LiveCD is now at 1.2 GB). > > * I have changed some system defaults to a more reliable state, namely > disabled firewall and set SELinux into permissive mode. My thinking is that > we should keep most obstacles away to let people test the stuff they are > asked to test. The firewall sometimes makes the life harder and the cause is > hard to discover ("why my ssh doesn't work?"). The SELinux, if in permissive > mode, still reports issues and the user can easily file them into bugzilla, > but doesn't prevent the programs from functioning. It's easier to ask users > to report any SELinux popups than to instruct them how to turn it off if the > program "behaves weirdly". Again, Test Day maintainers can override this if > they see fit. > > * I have removed Anaconda. Partly to save space, but not just because of it. > Because the image is heavily modified (half of the packages are missing, some > system defaults are changed), I don't think this is a good candidate for > installation. I think TCs/RCs serve this purpose much better, they are the > default offering. Of course Test Day maintainers can add Anaconda back, if > they want, but I don't think we should have it there by default. > > > The new kickstart is temporarily stored here: > http://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/fedora-qa.git/tree/?h=testday > > And a sample Test Day image is here: > http://kparal.fedorapeople.org/testdays/testday-f19-sample.iso > sha256sum: 82d0791e00cd3fc3d4c96d5af43853ef7618079fb9db72cd05f9c0f5af01f6b9 > > > Before I request committing it to spin-kickstarts, I'd like to ask if you > have some concerns or suggestions about the new kickstart. Do you think some > of the system changes are not appropriate? Do you think that some of the > packages I removed should stay? Or some more packages should be removed? Tell > me. > > Once this is done, I'll update our wiki guide: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/Live_Image
Thanks for this! It's worth noting I haven't used the kickstart for many images lately, as it was so crufty - a lot of the stuff in there just doesn't work, as it was designed for GNOME 2. Did you look at / fix any of that? It's my experience that SELinux doesn't necessarily give you all the denials in enforcing=0 that you get in enforcing=1, but I don't care hugely either way, as it can be toggled either way easily enough. Still, if we're going to make test day images with two of our major security features disabled, we should communicate this very clearly on Test Day pages. A note on the size - current F19 images are significantly larger than expected, I think due to a) debugging code and b) some apparent bugs in dependency resolution during live image creation. They should not be coming in as huge as they are. So your Test Day image will likely be rather smaller, once those bugs get squished. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
