On Tue, 23 Jul 2013, Jonathan Kamens wrote:

On 07/23/2013 04:00 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
 Are all the bugs under discussion ABRT bugs?
All of the bugs which prompted me to start this thread on the test list fall into one of two categories: reproducible bugs where reproduction steps were provided, and ABRT bugs.

There are no bugs in the set which are neither reproducible nor generated by ABRT.

Having said that, I agree with John Morris <https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2013-July/117110.html> that just because neither came from ABRT nor has reproduction steps included is not /ipso facto/ justification for the maintainer closing the bug with INSUFFICIENT_DATA without making any effort to obtain the additional data necessary to further pursue the bug. Furthermore, as I pointed out earlier in this thread, the bug status workflow document <https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2013-July/117095.html> agrees with me and John as well.

I'm not suggesting that either you or the
maintainer behaved correctly or otherwise.

I am suggesting that there might be one
more bit of objective data available.

If the steps to reproduce (children leave the room) are there now,
you might re-open the bug and put in a "comment" asking
others (plural) to reproduce the bug and report.
If you get a report of successful reproduction,
that would be objective evidence that the
maintainer has the informaion he needs.

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26 And the Angel said, I had it here a moment ago,
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27 And the Lord did not ask again.”   -—  Genesis, 3:25-27
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