texascavers Digest 14 May 2014 14:11:45 -0000 Issue 1977
Topics (messages 23809 through 23826):
Caves of Nigeria
23809 by: Preston Forsythe
23813 by: Mark Minton
23816 by: George Veni
23817 by: William Tucker
23819 by: Mark Minton
23820 by: Gill Edigar
23826 by: Buford Pruitt
Caves near Columbia, TN
23810 by: kwstafford.juno.com
23811 by: Jim Kennedy
23812 by: Geary Schindel
Alamo Cement
23814 by: Bennett Lee
2014 TSA Spring Convention Visual Arts Salon Awards
23815 by: R D Milhollin
Re: [SWR] Recruitment help - Term GS-7 Cave Management Specialist
23818 by: Diana Tomchick
Nigerian caves
23821 by: Mixon Bill
an expensive book
23822 by: David
23823 by: Jim Kennedy
23824 by: Mark Minton
23825 by: Preston Forsythe
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Last night on the PBS NewsHour there was an in-depth interview on the
kidnapped girls in Nigeria. They are suspected of being hidden in "endless
caves" in the mountains along the border. Are there any Nigeria cave experts
out there?
Preston in KY
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I'm certainly no expert, but Middleton & Waltham, "The
Underground Atlas" (1986) says that Nigeria has little surface
limestone and no major karst features. However it also says that
there are some extensive caves in sandstone. Some are apparently
large enough that they were being considered for tourist development.
However that is in the southern part of the country, whereas the
girls are thought to be held in the north. As is often the case with
news reports like this, the so-called caves may really be mines
and/or rock shelters.
Mark
At 08:59 AM 5/13/2014, Preston Forsythe wrote:
Last night on the PBS NewsHour there was an in-depth interview on
the kidnapped girls in Nigeria. They are suspected of being hidden
in "endless caves" in the mountains along the border. Are there any
Nigeria cave experts out there?
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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NCKRI is part of a team working on a new and massively updated World Karst Map.
I just looked at the draft map and it doesn't show any karst in Nigeria.
However, there are some sedimentary units that are mostly sandstone, shale,
etc. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some limestone mixed in those units
that doesn't show up at the mapping scale we're using, although we are
continuing to dig through the data to pull out more information on karstic and
potentially karstic units. The final map will be finished in a couple of years
and may show something on Nigeria that isn't in the current draft.
In general, I agree with Mark that caves are most likely sandstone shelters or
maybe mines.
George
********************
George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org
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From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:35 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caves of Nigeria
I'm certainly no expert, but Middleton & Waltham, "The Underground
Atlas" (1986) says that Nigeria has little surface limestone and no major karst
features. However it also says that there are some extensive caves in
sandstone. Some are apparently large enough that they were being considered for
tourist development.
However that is in the southern part of the country, whereas the girls are
thought to be held in the north. As is often the case with news reports like
this, the so-called caves may really be mines and/or rock shelters.
Mark
At 08:59 AM 5/13/2014, Preston Forsythe wrote:
>Last night on the PBS NewsHour there was an in-depth interview on the
>kidnapped girls in Nigeria. They are suspected of being hidden in
>"endless caves" in the mountains along the border. Are there any
>Nigeria cave experts out there?
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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If articles on Wikipedia can be used as some type of statistical sampling,
for whatever it is worth (not much):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Caves_of_Nigeria
The only cave listed is a show cave in the southeast. As typical of cave
articles outside of the west, little or no mention of the geology or
speleology, just cultural and religious significance. No mention if this one
is even limestone; though, I suspect it probably is.
William
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From: George Veni
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 1:05 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caves of Nigeria
NCKRI is part of a team working on a new and massively updated World Karst
Map. I just looked at the draft map and it doesn't show any karst in
Nigeria. However, there are some sedimentary units that are mostly
sandstone, shale, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some limestone
mixed in those units that doesn't show up at the mapping scale we're using,
although we are continuing to dig through the data to pull out more
information on karstic and potentially karstic units. The final map will be
finished in a couple of years and may show something on Nigeria that isn't
in the current draft.
In general, I agree with Mark that caves are most likely sandstone shelters
or maybe mines.
George
********************
George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org
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From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:35 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caves of Nigeria
I'm certainly no expert, but Middleton & Waltham, "The Underground
Atlas" (1986) says that Nigeria has little surface limestone and no major
karst features. However it also says that there are some extensive caves in
sandstone. Some are apparently large enough that they were being considered
for tourist development.
However that is in the southern part of the country, whereas the girls are
thought to be held in the north. As is often the case with news reports like
this, the so-called caves may really be mines and/or rock shelters.
Mark
At 08:59 AM 5/13/2014, Preston Forsythe wrote:
Last night on the PBS NewsHour there was an in-depth interview on the
kidnapped girls in Nigeria. They are suspected of being hidden in
"endless caves" in the mountains along the border. Are there any
Nigeria cave experts out there?
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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Actually, that cave is in Anambra state, which is where the
sandstone caves are located. The description in "The Underground
Atlas" even mentioned large chambers, lakes and running water. Sounds
like they did commercialize one of those sandstone caves.
Mark
At 02:40 PM 5/13/2014, William Tucker wrote:
If articles on Wikipedia can be used as some type of statistical
sampling, for whatever it is worth (not much):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Caves_of_Nigeria
The only cave listed is a show cave in the southeast. As typical of
cave articles outside of the west, little or no mention of the
geology or speleology, just cultural and religious significance. No
mention if this one is even limestone; though, I suspect it probably is.
William
-----Original Message----- From: George Veni
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 1:05 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caves of Nigeria
NCKRI is part of a team working on a new and massively updated World
Karst Map. I just looked at the draft map and it doesn't show any
karst in Nigeria. However, there are some sedimentary units that are
mostly sandstone, shale, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if there is
some limestone mixed in those units that doesn't show up at the
mapping scale we're using, although we are continuing to dig through
the data to pull out more information on karstic and potentially
karstic units. The final map will be finished in a couple of years
and may show something on Nigeria that isn't in the current draft.
In general, I agree with Mark that caves are most likely sandstone
shelters or maybe mines.
George
********************
George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:35 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caves of Nigeria
I'm certainly no expert, but Middleton & Waltham, "The
Underground Atlas" (1986) says that Nigeria has little surface
limestone and no major karst features. However it also says that
there are some extensive caves in sandstone. Some are apparently
large enough that they were being considered for tourist development.
However that is in the southern part of the country, whereas the
girls are thought to be held in the north. As is often the case with
news reports like this, the so-called caves may really be mines
and/or rock shelters.
Mark
At 08:59 AM 5/13/2014, Preston Forsythe wrote:
Last night on the PBS NewsHour there was an in-depth interview on the
kidnapped girls in Nigeria. They are suspected of being hidden in
"endless caves" in the mountains along the border. Are there any
Nigeria cave experts out there?
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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Purely speculative but there are thousands of domiciles mined (dug) out of
mostly soft sandstone cliffs and spires all over northern Africa. Some are
underground and some are extensive. The people that live in them were
called Troglodytes long before cavers appeared on the scene. I suspect one
must be careful when using the word 'cave' in the vernacular. I think most
folks in the world would not make a clear distinction between a dug cave
and a natural one.
--Ediger
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Mark Minton <mmin...@caver.net> wrote:
> Actually, that cave is in Anambra state, which is where the
> sandstone caves are located. The description in "The Underground Atlas"
> even mentioned large chambers, lakes and running water. Sounds like they
> did commercialize one of those sandstone caves.
>
> Mark
>
>
> At 02:40 PM 5/13/2014, William Tucker wrote:
>
>> If articles on Wikipedia can be used as some type of statistical
>> sampling, for whatever it is worth (not much):
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Caves_of_Nigeria
>>
>> The only cave listed is a show cave in the southeast. As typical of cave
>> articles outside of the west, little or no mention of the geology or
>> speleology, just cultural and religious significance. No mention if this
>> one is even limestone; though, I suspect it probably is.
>>
>> William
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: George Veni
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 1:05 PM
>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caves of Nigeria
>>
>> NCKRI is part of a team working on a new and massively updated World
>> Karst Map. I just looked at the draft map and it doesn't show any karst in
>> Nigeria. However, there are some sedimentary units that are mostly
>> sandstone, shale, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some limestone
>> mixed in those units that doesn't show up at the mapping scale we're using,
>> although we are continuing to dig through the data to pull out more
>> information on karstic and potentially karstic units. The final map will be
>> finished in a couple of years and may show something on Nigeria that isn't
>> in the current draft.
>>
>> In general, I agree with Mark that caves are most likely sandstone
>> shelters or maybe mines.
>>
>> George
>>
>> ********************
>> George Veni, Ph.D.
>> Executive Director
>> National Cave and Karst Research Institute
>> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
>> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
>> Office: 575-887-5517
>> Mobile: 210-863-5919
>> Fax: 575-887-5523
>> gv...@nckri.org
>> www.nckri.org
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:35 AM
>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caves of Nigeria
>>
>> I'm certainly no expert, but Middleton & Waltham, "The
>> Underground Atlas" (1986) says that Nigeria has little surface limestone
>> and no major karst features. However it also says that there are some
>> extensive caves in sandstone. Some are apparently large enough that they
>> were being considered for tourist development.
>> However that is in the southern part of the country, whereas the girls
>> are thought to be held in the north. As is often the case with news reports
>> like this, the so-called caves may really be mines and/or rock shelters.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> At 08:59 AM 5/13/2014, Preston Forsythe wrote:
>>
>>> Last night on the PBS NewsHour there was an in-depth interview on the
>>> kidnapped girls in Nigeria. They are suspected of being hidden in
>>> "endless caves" in the mountains along the border. Are there any
>>> Nigeria cave experts out there?
>>>
>>
>> Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
>> Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
>>
>
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Atlas des Cavites non Calcaires du Monde (Claude Chabert and Paul Courbon,
1997) lists one Nigerian cave in granite, one in lava, and six in sandstone
(Speleobooks provided my copy).
Five of the sandstone caves are listed from the southern state of Anambra
and the sixth in Imo, in the SE part of the country. These six caves are
reported to be 25-350 m in length.
The granite cave, Birnin Kudu, according to my attempt at French
translation, is a rock shelter between blocks of granite. The NSS News,
1977, 35 (3), contains an illustration of this 17 m cave. It is listed from
the state of Kano in northern Nigeria. When you have one such "cave" in
granite or gneiss, you can have many; at least, that's the case in Norway,
North Carolina, and Minnesota.
Kassa Cave, 45 m in lava, is near Bununu Kassa in NE Nigeria in Bauchi
state.
The granite and lava cave locales are right on the edge of the Sahel in the
north of Nigeria, so either cave type could be used by bandits.
Ann04 has a pic of a bat-inhabited cave in the northern Bauchi state,
panoramio.com/photo/2438975, and it sure looks like a natural cave but I
cannot tell what kind of rock it is in. Thomas Tvergaard has a shot of the
hot spring baths at Wikki Warm Spring, panoramio.com/photo/1090901, in
Yankari Nat Pk that contains several other hot springs within a sedimentary
geological setting (sandstones, siltstones...). The Yorro Cave in NE
Nigeria (access forbidden to outsiders) is evidently one of several in the
locale, but I know not its geology.
So, it looks like Nigeria has natural caves formed in several rock types,
including at least two in the north. Furthermore, any mention of one or a
few granitic/gneiss or lava caves and rock shelters implies that there
might be many more.
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Gill Edigar <gi...@att.net> wrote:
> Purely speculative but there are thousands of domiciles mined (dug) out of
> mostly soft sandstone cliffs and spires all over northern Africa. Some are
> underground and some are extensive. The people that live in them were
> called Troglodytes long before cavers appeared on the scene. I suspect one
> must be careful when using the word 'cave' in the vernacular. I think most
> folks in the world would not make a clear distinction between a dug cave
> and a natural one.
> --Ediger
>
>
> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Mark Minton <mmin...@caver.net> wrote:
>
>> Actually, that cave is in Anambra state, which is where the
>> sandstone caves are located. The description in "The Underground Atlas"
>> even mentioned large chambers, lakes and running water. Sounds like they
>> did commercialize one of those sandstone caves.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> At 02:40 PM 5/13/2014, William Tucker wrote:
>>
>>> If articles on Wikipedia can be used as some type of statistical
>>> sampling, for whatever it is worth (not much):
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Caves_of_Nigeria
>>>
>>> The only cave listed is a show cave in the southeast. As typical of cave
>>> articles outside of the west, little or no mention of the geology or
>>> speleology, just cultural and religious significance. No mention if this
>>> one is even limestone; though, I suspect it probably is.
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: George Veni
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 1:05 PM
>>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
>>> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caves of Nigeria
>>>
>>> NCKRI is part of a team working on a new and massively updated World
>>> Karst Map. I just looked at the draft map and it doesn't show any karst in
>>> Nigeria. However, there are some sedimentary units that are mostly
>>> sandstone, shale, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some limestone
>>> mixed in those units that doesn't show up at the mapping scale we're using,
>>> although we are continuing to dig through the data to pull out more
>>> information on karstic and potentially karstic units. The final map will be
>>> finished in a couple of years and may show something on Nigeria that isn't
>>> in the current draft.
>>>
>>> In general, I agree with Mark that caves are most likely sandstone
>>> shelters or maybe mines.
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>> ********************
>>> George Veni, Ph.D.
>>> Executive Director
>>> National Cave and Karst Research Institute
>>> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
>>> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
>>> Office: 575-887-5517
>>> Mobile: 210-863-5919
>>> Fax: 575-887-5523
>>> gv...@nckri.org
>>> www.nckri.org
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:35 AM
>>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caves of Nigeria
>>>
>>> I'm certainly no expert, but Middleton & Waltham, "The
>>> Underground Atlas" (1986) says that Nigeria has little surface limestone
>>> and no major karst features. However it also says that there are some
>>> extensive caves in sandstone. Some are apparently large enough that they
>>> were being considered for tourist development.
>>> However that is in the southern part of the country, whereas the girls
>>> are thought to be held in the north. As is often the case with news reports
>>> like this, the so-called caves may really be mines and/or rock shelters.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> At 08:59 AM 5/13/2014, Preston Forsythe wrote:
>>>
>>>> Last night on the PBS NewsHour there was an in-depth interview on the
>>>> kidnapped girls in Nigeria. They are suspected of being hidden in
>>>> "endless caves" in the mountains along the border. Are there any
>>>> Nigeria cave experts out there?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
>>> Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
>>>
>>
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Can anyone recommend a good contact person for caves near Columbia, TN
(approximately 40 miles south / southeast of Nashville)?
I have a new graduate student with family land on the Duck River than has
a cave on it. He is wanting to make this cave the focus of his thesis
and I am trying to find out what is already known of caves in that area
and specifically if the cave has been mapped.
Thanks,
Kevin Stafford
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I know a lot of cavers in the Nashville area. Try Philip Rykwalder as a
start.
-- Crash
From: kwstaff...@juno.com [mailto:kwstaff...@juno.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 8:13 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Caves near Columbia, TN
Can anyone recommend a good contact person for caves near Columbia, TN
(approximately 40 miles south / southeast of Nashville)?
I have a new graduate student with family land on the Duck River than has a
cave on it. He is wanting to make this cave the focus of his thesis and I
am trying to find out what is already known of caves in that area and
specifically if the cave has been mapped.
Thanks,
Kevin Stafford
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Gerald Moni is keeper of the Tennessee Cave Survey data and lives in Nashville
and is familiar with the area and the caves around Columbia. He is in the NSS
members manual.
Geary
From: Jim Kennedy [mailto:cavercr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 8:20 AM
To: kwstaff...@juno.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] RE: Caves near Columbia, TN
I know a lot of cavers in the Nashville area. Try Philip Rykwalder as a start.
-- Crash
From: kwstaff...@juno.com<mailto:kwstaff...@juno.com>
[mailto:kwstaff...@juno.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 8:13 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: [Texascavers] Caves near Columbia, TN
Can anyone recommend a good contact person for caves near Columbia, TN
(approximately 40 miles south / southeast of Nashville)?
I have a new graduate student with family land on the Duck River than has a
cave on it. He is wanting to make this cave the focus of his thesis and I am
trying to find out what is already known of caves in that area and specifically
if the cave has been mapped.
Thanks,
Kevin Stafford
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Does anyone have contacts at Alamo Cement? I'm trying to access a cave on some
old Alamo Cement property in San Antonio. Contact me off list. Thanks!
--Bennett
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At this year's TSA Spring Convention Visual Arts Salon there were many
extraordinary entries in the categories of cartography, photography, and fine
arts.
In the cartography division there were 8 entries by Texas cavers Dale Barnard,
Marvin Miller, David Ochel, Will Quast, and Peter Sprouse. David Ochel won a
merit blue ribbon for "Wildflower Cave, Travis County", and Marvin Miller won
two honorable mention awards for "Government Canyon Blowhole" and "Taylor Bat
Cave". Thanks to judges Don Arburn, Dave "Cave" McClung, and Orien Knox for
spending considerable time making difficult decisions.
The photographic and fine arts divisions were combined for judging. There were
6 photo entries by Bennett Lee, David Ochel, and Will Quast, and three fine art
entries by Evelyn Townsend. The photographic merit award went to David Ochel
for "Follow the Flowstone", and an honorable mention ribbon was awarded to
Bennett Lee for "Translucent Wing". Bennett was also the winner of the TCMA
Merit Award for best entry depicting or representing a Texas conservancy cave
preserve. Evelyn Townsend's "Etched Shell Pendant" earned a merit award for
fine arts. Her entries were donated to the TCMA auction that followed the
presentation of salon awards. Thanks to dedicated judges Jocie Hooper, Jay
Jorden, and Dr. Ann Scott.
Additional thanks to Bill Steele for use of the heavy-duty tent that housed the
salons, and to the several volunteers who helped to set up and disassemble it.
Photos of the salon exhibit will be sent to the Texas Caver editor, and
volunteers to help with next year's salons and ideas for improvement are
needed. Please contact RD Milhollin at this e-mail address.
Now is the time to begin preparing for the 2015 TSA Visual Arts Salon. So get
down and begin taking cave photos, drafting cave maps, and creating
cave-related art, and have those completed projects ready to dazzle attendees
at next year's TSA Spring Convention.
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From: Blake Jordan <blandev...@gmail.com<mailto:blandev...@gmail.com>>
Subject: [SWR] Fwd: Recruitment help - Term GS-7 Cave Management Specialist
Date: May 13, 2014 1:48:23 PM CDT
To: New Mexico Cavers <s...@caver.net<mailto:s...@caver.net>>, "Internal
Communications of the Sandia Grotto"
<sandiagro...@caver.net<mailto:sandiagro...@caver.net>>
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From: "Hays, David" <david_h...@nps.gov<mailto:david_h...@nps.gov>>
Date: May 13, 2014 at 9:47:12 AM MDT
To: undisclosed-recipients:;
Subject: Recruitment help - Term GS-7 Cave Management Specialist
Cave & Geology Folks,
Will you share this job announcement far-and-wide? I want an awesome caver to
come work for me at El Malpais. We are recruiting a Term GS-7 Physical Science
Tech to be our Cave Management Specialist.
Details:
https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/369618000
PLEASE SHARE this with anyone looking to further their career in cave
management with the National Park Service. Potential applicants are welcome to
contact me at david_h...@nps.gov<mailto:david_h...@nps.gov> with questions.
Closes on Friday, May 23rd.
Dave
David L. Hays
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I'm no expert, either, but the second edition of "Atlas of the Great
Caves and Karst of Africa," volume 2, doesn't suggest that there are
many real caves in Nigeria. It lists one sandstone cave 350 m long
(probably the one already mentioned), and that's the longest cave. No
limestone caves at all, and very limited carbonate rocks. As others
have suggested, if it's even true that the Boko Haram are using
"caves," they're probably not what we'd call real caves, any more than
all those Taliban hideouts were.--Mixon
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Here is a book-seller claiming to have a hard-bound copy of the 1948
Caves of Texas
by the NSS ( Bulletin # 10 )
http://pictures.abebooks.com/WISTEBOOKS/12094149402.jpg
He is asking only $ 245.
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You should have bought the excellent copy that sold at the TCMA auction at the
this year's TSA Spring Convention.
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> On May 14, 2014, at 12:09 AM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Here is a book-seller claiming to have a hard-bound copy of the 1948
> Caves of Texas
> by the NSS ( Bulletin # 10 )
>
> http://pictures.abebooks.com/WISTEBOOKS/12094149402.jpg
>
> He is asking only $ 245.
>
> Ref.
>
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Jim,
How much did that copy sell for?
Mark
At 09:11 AM 5/14/2014, Jim Kennedy wrote:
You should have bought the excellent copy that sold at the TCMA
auction at the this year's TSA Spring Convention.
Mobile email from my iPhone
> On May 14, 2014, at 12:09 AM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Here is a book-seller claiming to have a hard-bound copy of the 1948
> Caves of Texas
> by the NSS ( Bulletin # 10 )
>
> http://pictures.abebooks.com/WISTEBOOKS/12094149402.jpg
>
> He is asking only $ 245.
>
> Ref.
>
>
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=12094149402&searchurl=bsi%3D0%26amp%3Bds%3D30%26amp%3Btn%3Dbulletin%2Bnational%2Bspeleological%2Bsociety
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My copy of Bulletin 10, which I purchased new from the NSS in 1972, will
never be for sell.
Preston at Browder, KY
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Subject: Re: [Texascavers] an expensive book
You should have bought the excellent copy that sold at the TCMA auction at
the this year's TSA Spring Convention.
Mobile email from my iPhone
On May 14, 2014, at 12:09 AM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is a book-seller claiming to have a hard-bound copy of the 1948
Caves of Texas
by the NSS ( Bulletin # 10 )
http://pictures.abebooks.com/WISTEBOOKS/12094149402.jpg
He is asking only $ 245.
Ref.
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=12094149402&searchurl=bsi%3D0%26amp%3Bds%3D30%26amp%3Btn%3Dbulletin%2Bnational%2Bspeleological%2Bsociety
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