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Today's Topics:
1. Re: The Printed Word (Charles Loving via Texascavers)
2. Re: The Printed Word (Charles Loving via Texascavers)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:08:29 -0500
From: Charles Loving via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
To: Lyndon Tiu <l...@alumni.sfu.ca>, Cavers Texas
<texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word
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Not an article a comic book page. The Advetures of Karst Walker and Mull
and Doon. The quest for the Holy Carbide Light. A continuation of the
adventures of Nurdoo and Zeplin who appeared in the NSS News many eons ago.
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Lyndon Tiu via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> Oh chill, I'm just kidding ... ;-)
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Heather Tucek <trog...@cavechat.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Facebook claims all rights to everything posted on their site. Photos.
>> Articles. Everything. We don't want to put the TC on Facebook, unless we
>> want to give up all rights to everything contained in it.
>>
>>
>> On 30 July 2014 06:48, Lyndon Tiu via Texascavers <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Personally, I'm worried about a long and slow death of the TSA, mainly
>>> due to ... and *social networking*."
>>>
>>> Maybe we can move the Texas Caver magazine to Facebook ... just saying
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:41 AM, via Texascavers <
>>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Should read “NSS members”.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It’s awfully early. ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *via Texascavers
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 6:38 AM
>>>> *To:* mjca...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Agreed, Mimi.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When I was the Editor, I was dismayed (and somewhat confused) by the
>>>> fact that folks didn't realize that their article could be printed in BOTH
>>>> publications.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not all TSA members are NNS members and vice versa.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Since these are the dog days of summer and caving in the state, this
>>>> may be a good time to talk about the state of the TC and the TSA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I'm worried about a long and slow death of the TSA, mainly
>>>> due to apathy and social networking.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully, I'm wrong.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Y'all's thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com
>>>> <texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com>] On Behalf Of Mimi Jasek via
>>>> Texascavers
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:58 PM
>>>> To: TexasCavers
>>>> Subject: [Texascavers] The Printed Word
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How utterly sad - and totally disheartening - to finally see something
>>>> on paper about caving in Texas this year in the NSS News, rather than in a
>>>> Texas Caver. Something very wrong somewhere.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mimi Jasek
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Lyndon Tiu
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> *Go find out!*
>> -Heather Tuček
>> UT Grotto, DFW Grotto
>> TSA Secretary & Membership Chair
>> NSS 59660
>> (512) 773-1348
>> trog...@cavechat.org
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Lyndon Tiu
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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:19:49 -0500
From: Charles Loving via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
To: Joe Ranzau <jran...@gmail.com>, Cavers Texas
<texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word
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*Joe:*
*An article form the Sun: Not On Any Map: Jack Turner on our lost intimacy
with the Natural World. Has to do with Western Civilization's
environmentally destructive tendencies. "If you don't have contact with a
wild place (cave), a wild animal, or a wild process - and I mean
experiential, bodily contact -- then why would you ever vote for
conservation amd environmental measures? That's a long - term problem for
the American conservation movement. These beared guys who had been out
walking for five weeks had forgotten the "real world" returned to their
hotel in Kathmandu , and immediately they were back is the whir of it all,
the gerbil wheel: their iPhone, their computer, columns from the Wall
Street Journal. I think a hermit can live a perfectly good and full human
life. People recoil at that response…. Solitude is seen as something to be
feared something that's not productive.*
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Joe Ranzau via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> This is something I've chatted about with lots of cavers. Has the TSA
> been in decline, does it matter, should it be refocused or absorbed by
> another Texas Caving Organization?
>
> You hear a myriad of answers, some say the TSA has been in a death spiral
> since before they stopped actively caving - just read their book, others
> say it is a vital source of stability and kinship among Texas cavers and I
> say it falls somewhere in the middle.
>
> I do feel the advent of modern social media has lessened the need for the
> historic version of the TSA. I have framed copies of the letter and map
> announcing the discovery of Golondrinas, by the white man, on my wall.
> Today, there would be an email blast, some facebook pictures and dare I
> say, a tweet about it. Does all this mean the TSA does not matter? I
> don't know...
>
> When I ask folks what the TSA does I typically hear "The Texas Caver, when
> there is a strong editor (props to our last several)" and "The Spring
> Convention". Some used to argue that it also sponsored caving projects,
> that was pretty easily shot down because there was minimal actual
> sponsorship and when the TSS started hosting TPWD projects that last
> tangible benefit there was eliminated. They did help support the new cable
> at honey creek and some food for the Austin dive projects.
>
> So we have the regional organization of the NSS and a magazine right now.
>
> Some people say it does a great job hosting TCR too! I just nod and shake
> my head...
>
> The nice thing about the TSA is that it becomes whatever we make it. Yep,
> that right there, if we want a strong vibrant organization, make it so. If
> we want it to be a magazine that hosts a conference, well great, that's
> what it currently does! Do we want it not to exist? Go for it and keep
> doing what we are doing...
>
> The TSA is whatever WE make it. Most of us don't seem real interested in
> making it much at the moment. There is a small core group that gets my
> thanks and occasional help.
>
> For whatever that was worth,
>
> BigCaverJoe
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Lyndon Tiu via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> "Personally, I'm worried about a long and slow death of the TSA, mainly
>> due to ... and *social networking*."
>>
>> Maybe we can move the Texas Caver magazine to Facebook ... just saying ;-)
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:41 AM, via Texascavers <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Should read “NSS members”.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It’s awfully early. ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On
>>> Behalf Of *via Texascavers
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 6:38 AM
>>> *To:* mjca...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] The Printed Word
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Agreed, Mimi.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When I was the Editor, I was dismayed (and somewhat confused) by the
>>> fact that folks didn't realize that their article could be printed in BOTH
>>> publications.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not all TSA members are NNS members and vice versa.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Since these are the dog days of summer and caving in the state, this may
>>> be a good time to talk about the state of the TC and the TSA.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Personally, I'm worried about a long and slow death of the TSA, mainly
>>> due to apathy and social networking.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hopefully, I'm wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Y'all's thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com
>>> <texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com>] On Behalf Of Mimi Jasek via
>>> Texascavers
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:58 PM
>>> To: TexasCavers
>>> Subject: [Texascavers] The Printed Word
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How utterly sad - and totally disheartening - to finally see something
>>> on paper about caving in Texas this year in the NSS News, rather than in a
>>> Texas Caver. Something very wrong somewhere.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mimi Jasek
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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>>> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives:
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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