texascavers Digest 21 Feb 2014 23:20:19 -0000 Issue 1935
Topics (messages 23446 through 23456):
Re: Mexico travel related
23446 by: Andy Gluesenkamp
Re: a Boerne area cave
23447 by: Butch Fralia
23448 by: Kurt L. Menking
KY Cave Owners with Guns
23449 by: Preston Forsythe
Mystery Cave of the Month
23450 by: David
23451 by: jerryatkin.aol.com
23453 by: David
Sterling Rope Company Recalls Sewn Cords Due to Fall Hazard | CPSC.gov
23452 by: Jon Cradit
TSA Spring Convention News
23454 by: caverarch
Mystery Cave #2
23455 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net
23456 by: Mark Minton
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That is very sad. That is one of my favorite areas. I, too, have fond
memories of eating the most delicious langostinos there (restaurant/lobster
farm was called Boca Toma II).
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
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On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 11:47 PM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have not been following any news at all in Mexico, since my last
post on the subject did not go so well. So to my Mexican caving
friends, I apoligize if this post sounds bias or negative towards
your beautiful country, or if the news story is bogus.
Today, I saw a news story that looked alarming.
It is in an area that I used to love to go caving in.
Gomez Farias near the Nacimiento del Rio Frio.
http://www.horacero.com.mx/noticia/?id=NHCVL124028
Hopefully this is just another exaggerated narco-traffic story.
It appears to be a recent news item.
For those of you who have never been to Gomez Farias, it is
a paradise for cavers, birders, swimmers, and hikers.
I would love to spend a week there each year, when the butterflies
are passing thru ( if there are any left that still do that ).
Unfortunately, of about 3 road-trips I went to around there, we either never
located the entrance or ran out of time, or the pits just were blind
and not too exciting. Some of the best "langostinos," I ever
had was there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF84A4V0418
I miss Mexico. I married a woman from Mexico in 2001,
and never went back. One of the ironic things about my life.
David Locklear
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Having been to Diamond Cave I'd like to hear your story.
Butch Fralia
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From: Preston Forsythe [mailto:pns_...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 8:43 AM
To: Kurt L. Menking; David
Cc: CaveTex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave
Great stories. Thanks for posting. We have come out of a cave in western KY
with the owner waiting and holding a pistol.
I have a story on Diamond Cave, located someplace south of Brownwood.
Someday I'll post.
Preston in Outer Browder, KY.
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From: "Kurt L. Menking" <kmenk...@bcad.org>
To: "David" <dlocklea...@gmail.com>
Cc: "CaveTex" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 7:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave
David,
I helped survey in several of the Klar caves back in the 80's and later. I
expect there are maps for some of them, but I don't recall seeing any of
them.
The most memorable trip was one where we didn't even get into the cave. We
drove up to the house, to ask permission to go in one of the caves called
Bad Weather Pit. Only the wife and daughter were there, but the wife said
we could go to the cave. We asked if we could park along the paved county
road and cross the fence to get to the cave since we weren't sure how to get
there through the ranch. She said that would be fine. We parked along the
road, crossed the fence, hauled our gear 200 meters to the entrance, and
started rigging the pit entrance. We were all geared up and the first
person was about to drop over the lip when a truck pulled up behind our VW
van on the county road. Two guys got out, both of them carrying guns. They
crossed the fence and they just looked like they were really pissed. We
debated if we should hurry and get in the cave before they got to us, but
decided they may cut the rope and strand us in there. When they arrived
they were sure they had caught a bunch of hippie-caver-trespassers red
handed. We assured Mr. Klar and his friend we had talked to his wife, and
she said it was OK. He called us a bunch of damn liars and told us to get
off of his property and never come back. Threatened to shoot first and ask
questions later, etc.
We grabbed our stuff and left as quickly as we could. The guys with guns
just stood there and glared at us, and followed us back to the road.
None of us had the guts to go back there for many years. Finally James
Loftin made contact with Mr. Klar and gave them permission to go in the
caves. I finally went back to Bad Weather Pit with James, and help him
survey and push some of the water passage at the bottom of the cave.
Kurt
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From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 10:44 PM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave
Tonight, I was reminiscing about a cave I have only been to once way back in
1986.
I was told by the caver that took me there, that it had not been surveyed
and was called "Klars Ranch Salamander Cave," and that there were other
similar caves in the area.
Here is a possible reference:
http://www.karstportal.org/FileStorage/Texas_Caver/1968-v13-n12.pdf
We were hoping to go back to the cave, but planned trips got cancelled, and
the organizer got married, and went to grad school.
A wild guess would be that it is within a mile or two of the coordinates
below:
29.776495, -98.667373
I would love to see a map of the cave if anybody has a image file of it.
It was crawling mostly on stomach over muddy sharp rocks, to a very tight
vertical squeeze that dropped 5 feet down to a tiny stream passage that was
almost walking size for a little bit. There
was a long and tight bypass crawlway around the squeeze. We only went to
the
junction at the end of the bypass and confirmed it did connect to the
squeeze.
The caver leading the trip, said there was a 20 foot pit downstream. I
think
we dragged vertical gear, but didn't get that far.
That caver now lives in the Burnet area and is a professor of
short-horned-lizards ( or was ).
I regret that we turned around with such promising passage ahead of us, but
the other 2 cavers with us was a non-caver, and the other one was short and
obese, and we
had to leave her back at the squeeze. She did try to get thru it in
her panties though and I will never forget the sight of that. I
guess the only person that knew our
location was the owner of the ranch. I would have pushed ahead a
little more, had
I known then that we would never ever make it back.
David Locklear
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I like the caving or even caver related gun stories idea. Anyone who has a gun
story please send it to me. I'll compile them and send to be published in an
upcoming Texas Caver. I'd prefer you send it only to me instead of the entire
CaveTex list so it will "fresh material" for the TC. But if you insist on
sending to CaveTex, I'll still include it in the TC article. I'll make sure
all authors get their credits.
I also have another fun idea for a Texas Caver article. How about a collection
of your favorite lights out stories. If you've ever been off alone in a cave,
and your primary light failed send me something. I know I have one, but it was
way back before the 3 light rule. And I know that happened pretty often in the
carbide days.
Kurt
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From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:08 AM
To: Jon Cradit; Preston Forsythe; Kurt L. Menking; David
Cc: CaveTex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave
Anyone else have stories they can share via the Texas Caver? ;-)
Perhaps we could have a "gun' issue?
Cheers,
Stefan
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From: Jon Cradit [mailto:jcra...@edwardsaquifer.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:32 AM
To: Preston Forsythe; Kurt L. Menking; David
Cc: CaveTex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave
And to add to the stories.
Several years ago the SWTG, Southwest Texas Grotto, would conduct vertical rope
training at the cliffs at Five-mile Dam on the Blanco River. One afternoon
there was a group of us out there, I think David Persha and Marcia were there
and it was my turn to climb the rope. When I stuck my head over the ledge I
found two country locals sitting there. One was wearing a western style shirt
with the sleeves torn off the other was in a so called "wife beater" shirt.
Sitting on each side of the rope, between the ledge and the rig point, one
holding a really big pistol the other holding a sawed of shotgun about
18-inches long. Both smiling as I remember. Fortunately I grew up in the area
and knew a lot of families that lived in the area and after discussing with
them who owned the land and whom each of us knew I was able to come on up. It
was reviled that they were just out "hun'n" and found the rope, then decided
they wanted to mess with some of them college kids down there. They didn't
think that when I climbed up I'd be someone that knew their cousins. They
wondered off into the cedar breaks.
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From: Preston Forsythe [mailto:pns_...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 8:43 AM
To: Kurt L. Menking; David
Cc: CaveTex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave
Great stories. Thanks for posting. We have come out of a cave in western KY
with the owner waiting and holding a pistol.
I have a story on Diamond Cave, located someplace south of Brownwood.
Someday I'll post.
Preston in Outer Browder, KY.
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From: "Kurt L. Menking" <kmenk...@bcad.org<mailto:kmenk...@bcad.org>>
To: "David" <dlocklea...@gmail.com<mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com>>
Cc: "CaveTex" <texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 7:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave
David,
I helped survey in several of the Klar caves back in the 80's and later. I
expect there are maps for some of them, but I don't recall seeing any of them.
The most memorable trip was one where we didn't even get into the cave. We
drove up to the house, to ask permission to go in one of the caves called Bad
Weather Pit. Only the wife and daughter were there, but the wife said we could
go to the cave. We asked if we could park along the paved county road and
cross the fence to get to the cave since we weren't sure how to get there
through the ranch. She said that would be fine. We parked along the road,
crossed the fence, hauled our gear 200 meters to the entrance, and started
rigging the pit entrance. We were all geared up and the first person was about
to drop over the lip when a truck pulled up behind our VW van on the county
road. Two guys got out, both of them carrying guns. They crossed the fence
and they just looked like they were really pissed. We debated if we should
hurry and get in the cave before they got to us, but decided they may cut the
rope and strand us in there. When they arrived they were sure they had caught
a bunch of hippie-caver-trespassers red handed. We assured Mr. Klar and his
friend we had talked to his wife, and she said it was OK. He called us a bunch
of damn liars and told us to get off of his property and never come back.
Threatened to shoot first and ask questions later, etc.
We grabbed our stuff and left as quickly as we could. The guys with guns just
stood there and glared at us, and followed us back to the road.
None of us had the guts to go back there for many years. Finally James Loftin
made contact with Mr. Klar and gave them permission to go in the caves. I
finally went back to Bad Weather Pit with James, and help him survey and push
some of the water passage at the bottom of the cave.
Kurt
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From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 10:44 PM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave
Tonight, I was reminiscing about a cave I have only been to once way back in
1986.
I was told by the caver that took me there, that it had not been surveyed and
was called "Klars Ranch Salamander Cave," and that there were other similar
caves in the area.
Here is a possible reference:
http://www.karstportal.org/FileStorage/Texas_Caver/1968-v13-n12.pdf
We were hoping to go back to the cave, but planned trips got cancelled, and the
organizer got married, and went to grad school.
A wild guess would be that it is within a mile or two of the coordinates
below:
29.776495, -98.667373
I would love to see a map of the cave if anybody has a image file of it.
It was crawling mostly on stomach over muddy sharp rocks, to a very tight
vertical squeeze that dropped 5 feet down to a tiny stream passage that was
almost walking size for a little bit. There
was a long and tight bypass crawlway around the squeeze. We only went to
the
junction at the end of the bypass and confirmed it did connect to the squeeze.
The caver leading the trip, said there was a 20 foot pit downstream. I
think
we dragged vertical gear, but didn't get that far.
That caver now lives in the Burnet area and is a professor of
short-horned-lizards ( or was ).
I regret that we turned around with such promising passage ahead of us, but the
other 2 cavers with us was a non-caver, and the other one was short and obese,
and we
had to leave her back at the squeeze. She did try to get thru it in
her panties though and I will never forget the sight of that. I
guess the only person that knew our
location was the owner of the ranch. I would have pushed ahead a
little more, had
I known then that we would never ever make it back.
David Locklear
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The same cave owner I referred to earlier today once had a full page
write-up in the Evansville, Ind. newspaper. This guy liked to drive his
combine harvesting corn or soybeans, while being buck naked. Strange indeed.
Why, because he could. The guy was a retired county game warden. A character
for sure. We were able to quickly calm him down after he fired off several
pistol rounds.
Cavingly,
Preston in Muhlenberg Co., KY
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Who can be the first to guess the name of this Texas cave ?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/my2ak1gx08n4200/February%202014%20Mystery%20cave.jpg
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Looks a bit like 400 Foot Cave.
Jerry.
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> Who can be the first to guess the name of this Texas cave ?
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Jerry won the Mystery Cave of the Month.
Travis comes in 2nd
I first heard about that cave in the mid-80's and was told it was a fine
cave. But yesterday, I saw the trip report posted on Oztotl from 2004,
and enjoyed seeing the pictures of it.
David Locklear
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FYI.
http://www.cpsc.gov/en/Recalls/2014/Sterling-Rope-Company-Recalls-Sewn-Cords/
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Some useful news from Tom Summer of Cave Without a Name regarding the TSA
Spring Convention on Friday May 2 - Sunday May 4 at the Cave and its associated
campground. The pavilion that was newly constructed in time for last year's
convention now has a concrete floor that extends beyond the perimeter of the
pavilion to provide additional space. Permanent electricity is now present at
the pavilion and Tom has a sophisticated LED lighting system that can be used
both in the cave and at the pavilion. CWAN also now owns a Bose sound system
with "cave-adapted" echo-suppressing speakers, so sound technicians, please
contact me or Mallory Mayeux if you can help with setting up this equipment for
the presentations.
For those who wish to bring your RV, there will be 10 shaded, newly constructed
RV sites with electrical hookups in the campground, available separately from
the cave management for a special rate of $50 for the entire convention.
(Regular camping for convention registrants is again at no charge courtesy of
Cave Without a Name.)
Roger Moore.
TSA Vice-Chair
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Mystery Cave #2
OK David and you other Texicans. This is also the entrance to a Texas cave. The
scenery in the background will give you the clue that it is not very close to
Houston. The rancher is the guy with his back toward you on the right - wearing
the c'boy hat.
It will be interesting to see who comes up with the correct answer, and THEN
find out if they actually have been there -----.
DirtDoc
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gcyxfeo87ogpjnj/Mystery%20cave%20%232.jpg
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I'll take a guess that it's Mesa de Anguila Sinkhole. I've
never been there, but always wanted to.
Mark
At 05:00 PM 2/21/2014, dirt...@comcast.net wrote:
Mystery Cave #2
OK David and you other Texicans. This is also the entrance to a
Texas cave. The scenery in the background will give you the clue
that it is not very close to Houston. The rancher is the guy with
his back toward you on the right - wearing the c'boy hat.
It will be interesting to see who comes up with the correct answer,
and THEN find out if they actually have been there -----.
DirtDoc
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gcyxfeo87ogpjnj/Mystery%20cave%20%232.jpg
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