texascavers Digest 22 May 2012 17:40:45 -0000 Issue 1556
Topics (messages 20032 through 20036):
Re: 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
20032 by: Bill Bentley
Re: Poor little rattlesnakes
20033 by: Fritz Holt
20034 by: Andy Gluesenkamp
20035 by: Fritz Holt
20036 by: Louise Power
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I go caving because:
1. I get to enjoy Nature's Central Air... Cool in the Summer and warm in
Winter...
2. It gets me out of Midland.
3. I get to see my friends.
4. 90% of the time I get to go camping
5. I usually don't eat food that is good for me, but it tastes good.
6. I can not think about work when caving.
7. I always learn something new on every trip.
8. I love to take pictures and this gives me an excuse to take cave pictures.
9. Going caving make my co-workers think I am weird, and that is fine by me.
10.. I just love caves
----- Original Message -----
From: germa...@aol.com
To: pitboun...@gmail.com ; l...@alumni.sfu.ca
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
He could have at least mentioned he met his wife while caving ;)
-----Original Message-----
From: Nico Escamilla <pitboun...@gmail.com>
To: Lyndon Tiu <l...@alumni.sfu.ca>
Cc: TexasCavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 9:36 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
That's only four Lyndon, come on.. you can do better than that.
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lyndon Tiu <l...@alumni.sfu.ca> wrote:
Cavers are good people.
I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
I get good food prepared by good people.
I get to hang with beautiful good people.
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM, <mark.al...@l-3com.com> wrote:
> Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
>
> As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in
> the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.
>
> If you have no problem with this, post away!
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lyndon....@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon....@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Lyndon
> Tiu
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
> To: Sheryl Rieck
> Cc: TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
>
> Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck <sheryl.ri...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
>
>> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
>> beauty
>
>> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
>> almost
>
>> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that
have
>
>> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
>
>> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
>> span
>
>> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
>> caving
>
>> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun
folks
>
>> than getting my butt kicked by issues. About this same time, the emails
>
>> from Mark began.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very
scientific.
>
>> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
>
>> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
>> eyes
>
>> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort
to
>
>> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came
up
>
>> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send
>
>> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving
>
>> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Here are my 10:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> 1. The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
>> snakes.
>
>>
>
>> 2. A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>
>>
>
>> 3. The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
>
>> cave.
>
>>
>
>> 4. My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I
>> am
>
>> sticking to it no matter what.
>
>>
>
>> 5. My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to
>> it.
>
>>
>
>> 6. Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than
>
>> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>
>>
>
>> 7. Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
>
>> accounts.
>
>>
>
>> 8. When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed
to
>
>> be.
>
>>
>
>> 9. I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd
>
>> people on caving trips and that is just fun.
>
>>
>
>> 10. I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather
be
>
>> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You are
>
>> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons would
>> be
>
>> worth a read.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Lyndon Tiu
>
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I don't share my good friend's feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am
amazed by all snakes and reptiles in general. Being a city dude I took every
opportunity to have outdoor adventures and to take my family camping. My
daughters and I still enjoy it to this day. We still remove turtles to the
relative safety of our highway rights of way. Too many uninformed individuals
condemn all snakes due to the lack of public education such as that afforded by
BCI for bats. If harmful snakes invade your immediate territory remove them to
a distant similar habitat. I consider myself an environmentalist but not so
extreme as to place all creatures needs above that of man. There is always a
way to satisfy both goals. While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they
should not be placed on the endangered species list unless there is solid
evidence that they are in danger of becoming extinct. There is already too much
government intervention in our daily lives. I have never been in favor of the
Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup and other such events even if it did put them on
the map for tourists. This is money the town could do without. VIVA LA
RATTLESNAKE!
Fritz
________________________________
Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS
endangered! We have an understanding. THEY stay in the wild and do NOT come
in MY territory and I will leave them alone. Otherwise, they will go to the
great snake heaven in the sky.
Jackie
Feds Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to 'Endangered Species List' to Deny Land
Rights<http://visiontoamerica.org/9869/feds-considering-adding-rattlesnakes-to-endangered-species-list-to-deny-land-rights/>
Environmental groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing
the poisonous eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order
to protect the reptile from "human persecution."
"Survival of these snakes in large part depends on whether people continue to
persecute them or instead choose to allow these amazing creatures to share the
land with us," Bill Matturro, spokesman for Protect All Living Species, said in
welcoming the government's decision, announced earlier this month. "In the
Southeast, we are blessed with a rich natural heritage of animals and plants.
All of these species-even the rattlesnakes-should be allowed to exist."
The Fish and Wildlife Service says they are taking comments on listing the
snake because environmental groups presented "substantial scientific or
commercial information indicating that listing the eastern diamondback
rattlesnake may be warranted."
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Rattlesnake conservation is a tough row to hoe, period.
Not a lot of fondness on the part of the general public for a creature that the
Book tells us is the definition of evil.
Andy
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com
--- On Tue, 5/22/12, Fritz Holt <fh...@townandcountryins.com> wrote:
From: Fritz Holt <fh...@townandcountryins.com>
Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
To: "Off-Topic Texas Cavers" <o...@texascavers.com>, "TexasCavers"
<texascavers@texascavers.com>, "'Mandy Holt'" <mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us>,
"'Jenny Holt'" <jennyh...@anthonytravel.com>, "'bbat...@gmail.com'"
<bbat...@gmail.com>, "'Steve Ashmore'" <sashm...@sbcglobal.net>, "'Sam
Ashmore'" <samashm...@sbcglobal.net>, "Sally Dearing"
<sdear...@townandcountryins.com>, "'Guy Heath'" <hea...@satx.rr.com>, "'June
Levy'" <kittymr...@aol.com>, "'Janice Vieira'" <janjanj...@aol.com>, "'Jim
Sherwin'" <jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us>, "'James E. Wagner'"
<j_e_wag...@comcast.net>, "'Karen Ashmore'" <ka...@karenashmore.com>, "'Debra
Batts'" <badba...@sbcglobal.net>, "'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net'"
<r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:44 AM
I don’t share my good friend’s
feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am amazed by all snakes and reptiles
in general. Being a city dude I took every opportunity to have outdoor
adventures and to take my family camping. My daughters and I still enjoy it to
this day. We still remove turtles to the relative safety of our highway rights
of way. Too many uninformed individuals condemn all snakes due to the lack of
public education such as that afforded by BCI for bats. If harmful snakes
invade your immediate territory remove them to a distant similar habitat. I
consider myself an environmentalist but not so extreme as to place all
creatures needs above that of man. There is always a way to satisfy both goals.
While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they should not be placed on the
endangered species list unless there is solid evidence that they are in danger
of becoming extinct. There is already too much government intervention in our
daily lives. I have never been in favor of the Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup
and other such events even if it did put them on the map for tourists. This is
money the town could do without. VIVA LA RATTLESNAKE!
Fritz
Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS
endangered! We have an understanding. THEY stay in the wild and do
NOT come in MY territory and I will leave them alone. Otherwise, they
will go to the great snake heaven in the sky.
Jackie
Feds
Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to ‘Endangered Species List’ to
Deny Land Rights
Environmental
groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing the poisonous
eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order to protect
the reptile from “human persecution.”
“Survival
of these snakes in large part depends on whether people continue to persecute
them or instead choose to allow these amazing creatures to share the land with
us,” Bill Matturro, spokesman for Protect All Living Species, said in
welcoming the government’s decision, announced earlier this month.
“In the Southeast, we are blessed with a rich natural heritage of animals
and plants. All of these species—even the rattlesnakes—should be
allowed to exist.”
The Fish
and Wildlife Service says they are taking comments on listing the snake because
environmental groups presented “substantial scientific or commercial
information indicating that listing the eastern diamondback rattlesnake may be
warranted.”
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Andy,
Agreed, but I consider the definition of evil to be an uninformed public or
electorate.
Fritz
________________________________
From: Andy Gluesenkamp [mailto:andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:05 AM
To: Off-Topic Texas Cavers; TexasCavers; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt';
'bbat...@gmail.com'; 'Steve Ashmore'; 'Sam Ashmore'; Sally Dearing; 'Guy
Heath'; 'June Levy'; 'Janice Vieira'; 'Jim Sherwin'; 'James E. Wagner'; 'Karen
Ashmore'; 'Debra Batts'; 'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net'; Fritz Holt
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
Rattlesnake conservation is a tough row to hoe, period.
Not a lot of fondness on the part of the general public for a creature that the
Book tells us is the definition of evil.
Andy
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com
--- On Tue, 5/22/12, Fritz Holt <fh...@townandcountryins.com> wrote:
From: Fritz Holt <fh...@townandcountryins.com>
Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
To: "Off-Topic Texas Cavers" <o...@texascavers.com>, "TexasCavers"
<texascavers@texascavers.com>, "'Mandy Holt'" <mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us>,
"'Jenny Holt'" <jennyh...@anthonytravel.com>, "'bbat...@gmail.com'"
<bbat...@gmail.com>, "'Steve Ashmore'" <sashm...@sbcglobal.net>, "'Sam
Ashmore'" <samashm...@sbcglobal.net>, "Sally Dearing"
<sdear...@townandcountryins.com>, "'Guy Heath'" <hea...@satx.rr.com>, "'June
Levy'" <kittymr...@aol.com>, "'Janice Vieira'" <janjanj...@aol.com>, "'Jim
Sherwin'" <jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us>, "'James E. Wagner'"
<j_e_wag...@comcast.net>, "'Karen Ashmore'" <ka...@karenashmore.com>, "'Debra
Batts'" <badba...@sbcglobal.net>, "'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net'"
<r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:44 AM
I don't share my good friend's feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am
amazed by all snakes and reptiles in general. Being a city dude I took every
opportunity to have outdoor adventures and to take my family camping. My
daughters and I still enjoy it to this day. We still remove turtles to the
relative safety of our highway rights of way. Too many uninformed individuals
condemn all snakes due to the lack of public education such as that afforded by
BCI for bats. If harmful snakes invade your immediate territory remove them to
a distant similar habitat. I consider myself an environmentalist but not so
extreme as to place all creatures needs above that of man. There is always a
way to satisfy both goals. While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they
should not be placed on the endangered species list unless there is solid
evidence that they are in danger of becoming extinct. There is already too much
government intervention in our daily lives. I have never been in favor of the
Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup and other such events even if it did put them on
the map for tourists. This is money the town could do without. VIVA LA
RATTLESNAKE!
Fritz
________________________________
Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS
endangered! We have an understanding. THEY stay in the wild and do NOT come
in MY territory and I will leave them alone. Otherwise, they will go to the
great snake heaven in the sky.
Jackie
Feds Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to 'Endangered Species List' to Deny Land
Rights<http://visiontoamerica.org/9869/feds-considering-adding-rattlesnakes-to-endangered-species-list-to-deny-land-rights/>
Environmental groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing
the poisonous eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order
to protect the reptile from "human persecution."
"Survival of these snakes in large part depends on whether people continue to
persecute them or instead choose to allow these amazing creatures to share the
land with us," Bill Matturro, spokesman for Protect All Living Species, said in
welcoming the government's decision, announced earlier this month. "In the
Southeast, we are blessed with a rich natural heritage of animals and plants.
All of these species-even the rattlesnakes-should be allowed to exist."
The Fish and Wildlife Service says they are taking comments on listing the
snake because environmental groups presented "substantial scientific or
commercial information indicating that listing the eastern diamondback
rattlesnake may be warranted."
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
At Carlsbad Caverns we were strictly forbidden to kill any kind of wildlife
even if it wandered down into the housing area--including snakes, skunks, etc.
If it was a snake, we called maintenance, they came down with a big trashcan
and coaxed it in. Then they'd take it out one of the dirt roads to the
"outback" where they'd let it go. I never knew if we were seeing a different
snake or one that stopped by for a truck ride back home.
Louise
fmrcvr
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:05:06 -0700
From: andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com
To: o...@texascavers.com; texascavers@texascavers.com;
mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us; jennyh...@anthonytravel.com; bbat...@gmail.com;
sashm...@sbcglobal.net; samashm...@sbcglobal.net;
sdear...@townandcountryins.com; hea...@satx.rr.com; kittymr...@aol.com;
janjanj...@aol.com; jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us; j_e_wag...@comcast.net;
ka...@karenashmore.com; badba...@sbcglobal.net; r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net;
fh...@townandcountryins.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
Rattlesnake conservation is a tough row to hoe, period.
Not a lot of fondness on the part of the general public for a creature that the
Book tells us is the definition of evil.
Andy
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com
--- On Tue, 5/22/12, Fritz Holt <fh...@townandcountryins.com> wrote:
From: Fritz Holt <fh...@townandcountryins.com>
Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
To: "Off-Topic Texas Cavers" <o...@texascavers.com>, "TexasCavers"
<texascavers@texascavers.com>, "'Mandy Holt'" <mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us>,
"'Jenny Holt'" <jennyh...@anthonytravel.com>, "'bbat...@gmail.com'"
<bbat...@gmail.com>, "'Steve Ashmore'" <sashm...@sbcglobal.net>, "'Sam
Ashmore'" <samashm...@sbcglobal.net>, "Sally Dearing"
<sdear...@townandcountryins.com>, "'Guy Heath'" <hea...@satx.rr.com>, "'June
Levy'" <kittymr...@aol.com>, "'Janice Vieira'" <janjanj...@aol.com>, "'Jim
Sherwin'" <jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us>, "'James E. Wagner'"
<j_e_wag...@comcast.net>, "'Karen Ashmore'" <ka...@karenashmore.com>, "'Debra
Batts'" <badba...@sbcglobal.net>, "'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net'"
<r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:44 AM
I don’t share my good friend’s feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am
amazed by all snakes and reptiles in general. Being a city dude I took every
opportunity to have outdoor adventures and to take my family camping. My
daughters and I still enjoy it to this day. We still remove turtles to the
relative safety of our highway rights of way. Too many uninformed individuals
condemn all snakes due to the lack of public education such as that afforded by
BCI for bats. If harmful snakes invade your immediate territory remove them to
a distant similar habitat. I consider myself an environmentalist but not so
extreme as to place all creatures needs above that of man. There is always a
way to satisfy both goals. While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they
should not be placed on the endangered species list unless there is solid
evidence that they are in danger of becoming extinct. There is already too much
government intervention in our daily lives. I have never been in favor of the
Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup and other such events even if it did put them on
the map for tourists. This is money the town could do without. VIVA LA
RATTLESNAKE!
Fritz
Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS
endangered! We have an understanding. THEY stay in the wild and do NOT come
in MY territory and I will leave them alone. Otherwise, they will go to the
great snake heaven in the sky.
Jackie
Feds Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to ‘Endangered Species List’ to Deny Land
Rights
Environmental groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing
the poisonous eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order
to protect the reptile from “human persecution.”
“Survival of these snakes in large part depends on whether people continue to
persecute them or instead choose to allow these amazing creatures to share the
land with us,” Bill Matturro, spokesman for Protect All Living Species, said in
welcoming the government’s decision, announced earlier this month. “In the
Southeast, we are blessed with a rich natural heritage of animals and plants.
All of these species—even the rattlesnakes—should be allowed to exist.”
The Fish and Wildlife Service says they are taking comments on listing the
snake because environmental groups presented “substantial scientific or
commercial information indicating that listing the eastern diamondback
rattlesnake may be warranted.”
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