texascavers Digest 5 Jul 2011 11:57:01 -0000 Issue 1347

Topics (messages 18171 through 18176):

Cave and Mine Bat Monitoring in the State of Colorado
        18171 by: germanyj.aol.com
        18172 by: Rod Goke

"Cave related UFO sighting", not a hoax!
        18173 by: Rod Goke

One World Underground
        18174 by: Mixon Bill

Deep Cave Survey
        18175 by: Joe & Evelynn Mitchell

Re: Mark Gee's wife
        18176 by: Jay Jorden

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Hi Cave Scientists:
 
The BLM just announced a grant to help study WNS in Colorado caves and mines. 
They are only giving one grant for $100,000 with a 5 year performance period.  
The opportunity is open to anyone.  Deadline to apply is July 22, 2011.
 

Description


To facilitate a coordinated surveillance effort to effectively monitor, detect 
and combat White-Nose Syndrome (WNS) in caves and mines under the jurisdiction 
of Bureau of Land Management in the State of Colorado. 

The Synopsis can be seen here: 
http://www07.grants.gov/search/search.do?&mode=VIEW&oppId=102913
 
 
The full announcement is a Word doc and can be downloaded here: 
http://www07.grants.gov/search/announce.do;jsessionid=twL9TQDJmq0kw5K2vTy37bQlnjfJShfdVlFnLb38lNGL2b0ydQSJ!-370087949
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Notice that the Synopsis announcing this grant was created and posted July 1, 2011 and that the "Closing Date for Applications" is July 22, 2011, which coincides with the last day of the NSS Convention. It's hard to imagine a more difficult time to write a grant application for anyone attending the 2011 NSS Convention. How do you suppose these dates were chosen?

Interestingly, however, the Word document for the full announcement lists the "issue date" as June 27, 2011, and the "closing date & time" as August 5, 2011, so it is not clear (to me, anyway) whether the true deadline for submitting an application is July 22 or Aug. 5. Neither date allows a comfortable amount of time for NSS Convention attendees to prepare grant applications, but Aug. 5 certainly would be better than July 22. WNS research is not my field, so I have no interest in applying for this grant myself, but if any of you do, it might pay to investigate the details instead of assuming that everything is as it appears in the Synopsis.

In my experience with government agencies, I've seen cases where requests for contract proposals, grant applications, etc. appeared to have been written to favor a preferred recipient while discouraging or disadvantaging applications from others. Could it be that this is such a case and that the writer of the synopsis is trying to discourage applications from people associated with the NSS?

Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
Sent: Jul 3, 2011 5:53 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] Cave and Mine Bat Monitoring in the State of Colorado



Hi Cave Scientists:

The BLM just announced a grant to help study WNS in Colorado caves and mines. They are only giving one grant for $100,000 with a 5 year performance period. The opportunity is open to anyone. Deadline to apply is July 22, 2011.


Description


To facilitate a coordinated surveillance effort to effectively monitor, detect and combat White-Nose Syndrome (WNS) in caves and mines under the jurisdiction of Bureau of Land Management in the State of Colorado.

The Synopsis can be seen here:
http://www07.grants.gov/search/search.do?&mode=VIEW&oppId=102913


The full announcement is a Word doc and can be downloaded here:
http://www07.grants.gov/search/announce.do;jsessionid=twL9TQDJmq0kw5K2vTy37bQlnjfJShfdVlFnLb38lNGL2b0ydQSJ!-370087949











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Okay folks, you ask for it (well at least someone did, sorta), so here it is by popular demand, an actual non-hoax eyewitness account of a cave related UFO sighting. How cave related can a UFO sighting be? Well, I'd say this one's about as cave related as the majority of postings I've seen on TexasCavers, but read on and judge for yourself. 

What do you think a typical UFO sighting looks like? Have you ever listened to those call-in programs on late night radio, where people describe their UFO sighting experiences? Admittedly, the stories are quite varied, but I'd say the most common theme involves a bright light moving across the night sky, sometimes appearing to move at meteoric speed, but also appearing to do maneuvers that would be impossible for any natural meteor or any known man made craft. People talk about how these strange objects zip across the sky at fantastic speed, then quickly stop, hover, accelerate and make sharp turns at high speed. They may suddenly appear and disappear, seemingly at will, and they make no sound at all. Obviously, this behavior is way beyond the capabilities of any known human technology, so what could these strange objects be? Is the government test flying some new super secret technology from Area 51? Could nonhuman life forms from who knows where be flying through our skies with technologies more advanced than anything yet invented by humans? With no definitive explanation, speculation abounds.

Well folks, back in 2003, I actually witnessed one of these strange light displays in the night sky above Austin! Furthermore, I have reason to believe that the brightly lit flying objects I observed were not examples of some super secret government technology, but were actually the responsibility of nonhuman entities and that at least some of these entities might share our interest in earthly caves. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if someday you actually encounter them inside a cave, if you haven't already. Even if you don't notice them, they might still be there, noticing you. But never fear. They aren't exactly here to save humanity, but I'm pretty sure they don't mean us any harm either.

Here's how it happened. Back in 2003, I was doing some temporary consulting work with a British microprocessor company called ARM. I was working with a small R & D group in Cambridge England, but since I lived in Austin, they provided me an office in their Austin Texas facility (which, at that time, was a different building from the one they use now). Since the rest of the group was in England, I mostly communicated with them via email and telephone and often worked nighttime hours that differed significantly from the working hours of their Austin employees. One night when I was working alone in that office, I walked out towards my car parked behind the building. As I walked across the parking lot, I happened to look up and see some lights moving across the night sky. They looked like the lights one normally would expect to see on a jet airliner flying at high altitude. At this point, I saw nothing unusual, but the movement attracted my attention to the sky. I looked up and thought:

   Ho hum, there goes an ordinary jet plane.

Then, however, in the portion of the sky where the plane had just passed, a single white light appeared and streaked across the sky with meteoric speed. It was about as bright as a bright star or planet and appeared to be moving several times faster than the jet plane in a direction almost perpendicular to the path of the plane. At this point, I'm thinking:

   That's interesting, there goes a meteor.

But then the "meteor" stopped quickly, hovered momentarily, then accelerated and flew rapidly in a different direction, and then it suddenly disappeared, all in absolute silence! Now I'm thinking:

   Meteors don't do that.
   Satellites don't do that.
   Falling space junk doesn't do that.
   I don't know of any man made aircraft or spacecraft that can do that.
   That looked just like some of those UFO sightings I've heard people describe on late night radio.
   What the hell was that thing?!!

I continued staring at that now dark patch of sky, trying to think of anything that could explain what I'd just seen. Then, in the same area of the sky, another UFO of the same type appeared, or perhaps it was the same one reappearing. It flew rapidly across the sky, made a quick right angle turn, and then disappeared as suddenly as it had appeared. As I continued staring at the sky, I saw more UFOs similarly appear, do spectacular maneuvers, and disappear. Sometimes even 2 or 3 of them would be visible at the same time, so there obviously had to be multiple UFOs involved. A whole fleet of them were doing nighttime aerobatic maneuvers like nothing I'd ever seen!

Fascinated and awed by what I was observing, I kept looking for additional details to help solve the mystery. After a while, I noticed that some of the UFOs appeared somewhat brighter than others. Then, especially with the brighter UFOs, I thought I could detect that the light they produced was not perfectly steady, but, instead, seemed to flicker slightly as they flew. Fascinating, I thought, but still no closer to an explanation. ... Then, staring intently at some of the brightest UFOs, ... I thought I could see. ... What! ...  They weren't just flickering, they were flapping their wings!!

It seemed rather unlikely that extraterrestrial space aliens would be using ornithopter technology to visit earth, and, although I wouldn't put it past our own government to invest in such technology, I doubted that they would have perfected it well enough to account for what I was seeing. This led to the thought that maybe I was observing some kind of winged animals, such as bats or birds, but why would they be glowing brightly with lights they seemingly could turn on and off at will? The UFOs obviously were not fireflies. They were much too large and fast to be insects. Was some genetic engineering lab putting firefly genes into bats or birds? Somehow that didn't seen likely, either. Not that no one would be willing to try such experiments, but surely it would be expensive, and I couldn't imagine a business model that would justify an investment in glow-in-the-dark bats! (Even LowGun doesn't do that. ;-)

This UFO flight began to remind me of something I had observed years before in front of the Oak Hill Motorola plant, where I had once worked. In front of their main building they had 3 flagpoles, each equipped with a bright spotlight located at its base and shining upward to illuminate a flag. The lights would attract insects, and the insects would attract bats. Bats would continually fly back and forth through the light beams to catch flying insects. Whenever a bat entered a beam, it appeared brightly illuminated, and whenever it left the beam, it seemed to disappear into the darkness. Bats, of course, can turn and maneuver very quickly, and whenever a bat is flying directly towards you or directly away from you, it can appear to be stationary or hovering for a short time. The bats in front of the Motorola building typically flew low enough that we could see they were flapping their wings, but, of course, higher flying bats or birds in a spotlight beam might look like mere specks of light moving across the sky.

This seemed like a plausible explanation for my UFO sighting behind the ARM building, except for one thing. There were no flagpoles or spotlights anywhere to be seen! What could possibly be the light source? At this point, I began walking around, looking at more than the sky. In front of a nearby building just north of the ARM building, out of sight from where I'd observed the UFO flight, I found an exceptionally bright spotlight illuminating a flagpole. This light was aimed upward at an angle somewhat towards the building, such that its beam extended over the building and could illuminate high flying bats or birds above the parking lot in back. At that distance, most of these bats or birds appeared simply as points of light whenever they flew through the beam. The beam itself was not visible behind the buildings, since there was not enough dust or mist in the air for the beam to be observed directly.

So you see, at least some strange UFO sightings really can be the work of nonhuman entities (illuminated bats and/or birds). Some of these entities (the bats, at least) are known to inhabit caves, so to whatever extent they were involved, I suppose you could call this a cave related UFO sighting.

Actually, I suspect that the critters I observed behind the ARM building were birds (perhaps nighthawks) rather than bats. It was hard to tell for sure at that distance, but within a few days of that sighting, I observed what appeared to be birds pursuing flying insects at night under the streetlights in the Barton Creek Mall parking lot. The critters I used to see flying around the flagpoles in front of the Motorola building, however, appeared to be bats. In fact, bats occasionally got inside the main lobby of that building and seemed quite frustrated as they flew around looking for a place to land on a ceiling that was too smooth for them to get a grip. Either way, bats or birds, it's an interesting phenomenon, which, under the right conditions, can produce some very impressive UFO sightings, and it's not even a hoax.

Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: Jenny Holt
Sent: Jun 23, 2011 12:57 AM
To: [email protected], [email protected], texas cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a goodidea)

Ok Rod...now I wish for more info on on your "truthful" cave related UFO sighting. And I love tales of Chupacabra, Andy. I was on FB tonight Roger and I didn't see anything about your demise or the Miata's; do tell. Oh and Chris, maybe we will take this OT for your sake. It's my bedtime, I hope to read enlightening stories tomorrow. :)


Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 23:34:31 -0500
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a goodidea)

Hey, that was a long time ago, Roger. The UFO sightings were more recent (2003). They looked just like some of the UFO sighting I've heard callers describe on late night radio, there were more than one of them, they turned out to be real, and there's even reason to think they could have been cave related! You don't think I'd hoax you about something like that now, do you?

What happened to your Miata? I might be curious, but not curious enough to join Facebook.

Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: caverarch
Sent: Jun 22, 2011 10:25 PM
To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a goodidea)

Not a hoax, Rod? Not so sure, having been successfully hoaxed by Rod upon at least a couple of occasions in the distant past.

BTW, any word of my demise is premature. Not so, unfortunately for my Miata, as Rod would know if only he was on Facebook.

Roger

-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Goke
To: Andy Gluesenkamp ; TexasCavers
Sent: Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a goodidea)

Oh no! See what you've done now, Andy! You have us all curious to read your chupacabra story. Keep this up, and I might have to retaliate with my somewhat cave related UFO sighting story, and it's not even a hoax.

Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Gluesenkamp
Sent: Jun 22, 2011 9:56 PM
To: Fritz Holt
Cc: "[email protected]" , Rod Goke , Andy Gluesenkamp , TexasCavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a goodidea)

Oh god. Please don't. My chupacabra story is much better. ....



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--- Begin Message --- Message from Alexander Klimchouk. I have not been able to attach the promised logo attachment. It is interesting that the week of July 4, 1991, was the NSS convention when Alex became an honorary member of the NSS. That's why he was here in the US from Ukraine at that time. The original toast was on July 5 at the NSS convention banquet, but you might find it easier to hoist a cool one 4 PM today, the 4th. Or how about both days?
 -- Mixon

Dear Caving Friends!

Do not forget the 20th Anniversary of the International Toast of
Caving Friends "One World Underground" !

The tradition to rise a toast synchronously had been established in
1991, when many dozens cavers in Ukraine and USA risen their glasses
at the same moment to express their feeling of friendship and unity in
speleology. In subsequent years thousands of cavers from all
continents have joined the Toast.

Determine your local time and join the 20th Toast!
(GMT 22:00, New-York 17:00, Kiev 24:00).

Attached is the original logo of the Toast.

One World Underground!

(You are welcome to spread this message through your contacts..)

Best wishes!

Sincerely,

--Alexander Klimchouk

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Les spéléologues forment une communauté internationale de dimensions
restreintes, mais qui comprend un grand nombre de pays entre lesquels
les échanges spéléologiques sont souvent actifs. C’est ainsi qu’en
1991 est née entre les spéléologues russes, ukrainiens et américains
une initiative sympathique, le Toast international de l’amitié
spéléologique (International Toast of Caving Friends). Elle consiste
tout simplement à se donner rendez-vous — ce peut être à des milliers
de kilomètres de distance — le même jour, à la même heure convenue à
l’avance pour lever son verre à la santé des spéléos du monde entier.
Dans les temps difficiles qui sont les nôtres, nous ne pouvions que
nous associer à cette joyeuse cérémonie qui, au niveau de notre
communauté spéléologique, prône l’amitié et la paix entre les peuples.

Retiens bien l’heure et la date: le 4 juillet, à 23 heures. A ce
moment précis, des spéléos américains (il sera 17 heures pour ceux de
New York), russes, ukrainiens (minuit à Kiev), et de bien d’autres
nationalités, porteront le même toast. Où que tu sois, seul ou de
préférence avec des copains spéléos réunis pour la circonstance, tu
lèveras ton verre rempli de ton breuvage favori pour affirmer ainsi
que tous les spéléos de la planète sont amis; unis qu’ils sont par la
même passion du monde souterrain. De toute façon, en ce 4 juillet, à
23 heures, dis-toi bien que tu ne seras pas seul au monde.

Message transmis par Jacques Chabert
(Spéléo Club de Paris)
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I have 2 open slots for next weekend's (July 9) resumption of the Deep Cave 
survey project. Contact me off list if you are interested in going. Must have 
cave survey experience and be prepared for about 8 hours of challenging 
surveying and lead pushing!

Joe Mitchell
[email protected]
210-859-2105


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FYI, a memorial page for Susan Gee is set up at

http://memorialwebsites.legacy.com/SusanGee/Homepage.aspx

On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Jay Jorden <[email protected]> wrote:

> Susan Gee, Mark Gee's wife, passed away unexpectedly on Friday, July 1. She
> was 53.
> Our condolences are with Mark <[email protected]> and his family.
>
> A memorial service is scheduled at 10 a.m. Friday, July 8, at Eastminster
> Presbyterian Church <http://www.eastminsterdallas.org/index.aspx>, 6550
> Samuell Blvd., in Dallas.
>
> The family requests that memorials, cards and other communications be
> directed to:
> 2517 Crown Circle
> Garland, TX 75044
> Phone: 972 955 3348 <972%20955%203348>
>
> Everyone who had the opportunity to meet Susan knew her to be warm, caring
> - and a friend to cavers. She had also helped Mark host the latest
> Dallas-Fort Worth Grotto holiday event.
> Susan will be greatly missed.
>
>

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