texascavers Digest 19 Jun 2011 21:43:27 -0000 Issue 1338

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texascavers Digest 19 Jun 2011 21:43:27 -0000 Issue 1338

Topics (messages 18073 through 18087):

Re: book review: Cass Cave, West Virginia
        18073 by: Timothy Russey
        18075 by: Geary Schindel

Cass Cave
        18074 by: Mixon Bill

Forest Service Implements Rules at National Cave Convention in Colorado to 
Prevent Spread of Bat-killing Disease
        18076 by: John P Brooks
        18077 by: Rod Goke

Re: Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding Cuts
        18078 by: caverarch
        18079 by: Rod Goke
        18080 by: caverarch
        18087 by: Mark Minton

Updates on CaCa Fires?
        18081 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com

virgin caves
        18082 by: Nico Escamilla

Carlsbad Caverns NP fire
        18083 by: Louise Power
        18084 by: Gary McDaniel

Carlsbad on mopup
        18085 by: Louise Power

cave pics
        18086 by: Sam Young

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I had the opportunity to see Bob Zimmerman speak on the Cass cave system at the 
spring var this year, I'd recommend the book as the events surrounding the cave 
are all very interesting. There are also ongoing negotiations with the family 
that owns the property to have it reopened If I remember correctly. 

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From: Mixon Bill [[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:37 PM
To: Cavers Texas; Oldham Tony
Subject: [Texascavers] book review: Cass Cave, West Virginia

The Survey of Cass Cave, Pocahontas County, West Virginia. Edited by
Robert Zimmerman, with cartography by Robert Zimmerman and Gregory S.
Springer. West Virginia Speleological Survey Monograph 4; 2011. 8.5 by
11 inches, 63 pages, softbound. $16 postpaid from 
www.wvass.org/publications.html
.

This new book on Cass is similar in format to WVASS Monograph 3 on
Cassell Cave (NSS News, November 2009). There is a history of the
cave, including two fatal accidents in notorious Suicide Falls; it is
named that after a genuine suicide in the cave years earlier. A
detailed text description of the cave and a clear chapter on geology
and speleogenesis follow. A set of twenty-three quad maps of the cave
plan is very nicely detailed, although it is, inevitably, rather
confusing where underlying passages are offset. The quads don't follow
a rigid grid, which minimizes the number of them that contain little
passage, but they don't overlap, so the important junction of Cass
Annex Cave with the Big Room is split between two sheets. The plans of
the passages do extend a quarter inch beyond the borders of the quads,
which makes it easier to follow them from page to page. There are many
cross-sections, but only one page with a couple of small-scale
profiles. A nice and fairly priced book on one of the most famous
caves in West Virginia, unfortunately now closed.—Bill Mixon
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Cass is an outstanding cave, my third vertical cave, and one of my favorites.  
I've spent a number of fine hours beyond the cat crawl, back in the days before 
polypro.  It would be wonderful if the NSS or one of the cave conservancies 
could purchase this cave, it is a wonderful setting near the town of Cass.

Maybe they can get it open for the NSS Convention next year.

Geary




-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy Russey [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 12:22 PM
To: Mixon Bill; Cavers Texas; Oldham Tony
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] book review: Cass Cave, West Virginia

I had the opportunity to see Bob Zimmerman speak on the Cass cave system at the 
spring var this year, I'd recommend the book as the events surrounding the cave 
are all very interesting. There are also ongoing negotiations with the family 
that owns the property to have it reopened If I remember correctly. 

________________________________________
From: Mixon Bill [[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:37 PM
To: Cavers Texas; Oldham Tony
Subject: [Texascavers] book review: Cass Cave, West Virginia

The Survey of Cass Cave, Pocahontas County, West Virginia. Edited by
Robert Zimmerman, with cartography by Robert Zimmerman and Gregory S.
Springer. West Virginia Speleological Survey Monograph 4; 2011. 8.5 by
11 inches, 63 pages, softbound. $16 postpaid from 
www.wvass.org/publications.html
.

This new book on Cass is similar in format to WVASS Monograph 3 on
Cassell Cave (NSS News, November 2009). There is a history of the
cave, including two fatal accidents in notorious Suicide Falls; it is
named that after a genuine suicide in the cave years earlier. A
detailed text description of the cave and a clear chapter on geology
and speleogenesis follow. A set of twenty-three quad maps of the cave
plan is very nicely detailed, although it is, inevitably, rather
confusing where underlying passages are offset. The quads don't follow
a rigid grid, which minimizes the number of them that contain little
passage, but they don't overlap, so the important junction of Cass
Annex Cave with the Big Room is split between two sheets. The plans of
the passages do extend a quarter inch beyond the borders of the quads,
which makes it easier to follow them from page to page. There are many
cross-sections, but only one page with a couple of small-scale
profiles. A nice and fairly priced book on one of the most famous
caves in West Virginia, unfortunately now closed.-Bill Mixon
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benefactor the world has yet known.--Sir Richard Burton
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--- Begin Message --- For many years, the landowner situation at Cass was curious. The old lady who owned it had no objection to people going into the cave, as long as they _didn't_ ask for permission. According to the history in the book, she had the notion that giving permission would subject her to liability.--Mixon 
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http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2011/white-nose-syndrome-06-14-2011.html

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That's the same link that Mark posted to Texascavers at 9:49 AM today.

-----Original Message-----
From: John P Brooks
Sent: Jun 17, 2011 3:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] Forest Service Implements Rules at National Cave Convention in Colorado to Prevent Spread of Bat-killing Disease

http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2011/white-nose-syndrome-06-14-2011.html


-----Forwarded Message-----
>From: Mark Minton <[email protected]>
>Sent: Jun 17, 2011 9:49 AM
>Subject: [Texascavers] CBD Targets NSS Convention
>
>         In their ongoing effort to ban caving in the name of 
>protecting bats from WNS, the Center for Biological Diversity is 
>complaining about the NSS Convention in 
>Colorado. 
><http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2011/white-nose-syndrome-06-14-2011.html>.
>
>Mark Minton
>
>Please reply to [email protected]
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More bad news.


-----Original Message-----
From:
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Jun 17, 2011 12:43 pm
Subject: Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding Cuts



http://txpub.usgs.gov/public/riskgages/default.aspx

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Does anyone know whether the funding in question is Federal, State, or some combination of both, and who is responsible for this specific funding decision?

Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: caverarch
Sent: Jun 17, 2011 5:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] Fwd: Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding Cuts

More bad news.


-----Original Message-----
From:
To: [email protected]
Sent: Fri, Jun 17, 2011 12:43 pm
Subject: Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding Cuts



http://txpub.usgs.gov/public/riskgages/default.aspx




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Rod, it would seem to have to be Federal since the gauge system is federal, but 
perhaps the states are required to contribute to the support of the program.  I 
just blindly forwarded it because I have been a great fan of those gauges ever 
since Tropical Storm Allison.


Roger





-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Goke <[email protected]>
To: TexasCavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Jun 17, 2011 7:03 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due 
to Proposed Funding Cuts




Does anyone know whether the funding in question is Federal, State, or some 
combination of both, and who is responsible for this specific funding decision?


Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: caverarch 
Sent: Jun 17, 2011 5:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] Fwd: Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to 
Proposed Funding Cuts

More bad news.


-----Original Message-----
From:
To: [email protected] 
Sent: Fri, Jun 17, 2011 12:43 pm
Subject: Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding Cuts



http://txpub.usgs.gov/public/riskgages/default.aspx



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--- Begin Message --- According to <http://water.usgs.gov/osw/lost_streamgages.html>, the funding is a mix of federal and other more local sources. 

Mark

At 08:16 PM 6/17/2011, caverarch wrote:
Rod, it would seem to have to be Federal since the gauge system is federal, but perhaps the states are required to contribute to the support of the program. I just blindly forwarded it because I have been a great fan of those gauges ever since Tropical Storm Allison. 

Roger

-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Goke <[email protected]>
To: TexasCavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Jun 17, 2011 7:03 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding Cuts
Does anyone know whether the funding in question is Federal, State, or some combination of both, and who is responsible for this specific funding decision? 

Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: caverarch
Sent: Jun 17, 2011 5:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] Fwd: Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding Cuts 

More bad news.

-----Original Message-----
From:
To: [email protected]
Sent: Fri, Jun 17, 2011 12:43 pm
Subject: Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding Cuts

http://txpub.usgs.gov/public/riskgages/default.aspx


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Hey, Karen, Dale, and George and any and all denizens of Carlsbad!


Any updates on the fires out there?



Thanks!

Mark

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Alright, I´ll go ahead and post it here since doing it on facebook did not
get me any response

Theres two leads I have to check out both of them blow air but require some
digging. One of them is in the Bustamante area and the other is near Mariano
Escobedo lake (within the boundaries of Sabinas Hidalgo)
Being the only caver in town I have nobody to go with me, and the people
from Monterrey I´ve invited cant or wont come.
Anybody wants to come check themout with me? Virgin passage guaranteed
Also, its nice and quiet here in Sabinas and around Bustamante, its
Monterrey where all the crazy stuff is going on.

Nico

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Here's an article on the CaCa fire from the Albuquerque paper. 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43445579/ns/weather/43440539

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http://www.inciweb.org/incident/2318/

http://www.nifc.gov/nicc/sitreprt.pdf

On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Louise Power <[email protected]>wrote:

>  Here's an article on the CaCa fire from the Albuquerque paper.
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43445579/ns/weather/43440539
>



-- 
~Gary McDaniel
  Grand Junction, CO

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>From the Carlsbad Current Argus:
http://www.currentargus.com/ci_18296167

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A friend of mine in Birmingham, a photographer but not a caver, sent me this 
Flickr link:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/realms_of_reality/

Does anyone know Nathan Williams?  He does some very good cave photography.  My 
wife Diane says that she remembers going through Tumbling Rock cave.  It is a 
long series of breakdown mountains.

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