texascavers Digest 5 May 2013 23:11:54 -0000 Issue 1749
Topics (messages 21696 through 21706):
Kiwi Sink
21696 by: Gill Edigar
Need help about bustamante cave
21697 by: Espeleo Coahuila
21698 by: Mark Minton
21699 by: Mark Minton
suction underground climbing system
21700 by: Mixon Bill
Re: No Place On Earth movie
21701 by: Logan McNatt
Kiwi Sink related
21702 by: David
Mexican topo maps
21703 by: Mixon Bill
21705 by: Mark Minton
Re: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie
21704 by: Aimee Beveridge
movie
21706 by: Gill Edigar
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Have I posted this yet?
So, KIWI SINK Dig this Sunday around 10 of the a.m. We opened the muddy
floor last Sunday and are digging in clean (mostly) water washed breakdown
now. Still a bit of clean-up to do in the old mud floor but it's really
fast and furious digging all around the pit. We loaded out 15 or 16 barrels
where usually we get only 7. Questions? Give me a call--410-303-1177. Park
at Ernies' across the street!!!
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hi friends.
could you can share information of reports of exploration in Bustamante
CAve.! We need all the information that you have.
Orion, could you send me a profile maps of this cave???
Steve, could you send me information about the salon that you talked with
me for the camp....
please,,, send me.
Moni
--
LCC. Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez
Asociacion Coahuilense de Espeleologia, A.C. (fundadora)
Associazione Geografica La Venta- Italia (socia)
Centro de Estudios Karsticos La Venta (socia)
Grupo Espeleologico Vaxakmen, A.C. (socia)
Association for Mexican Cave Studies (colaboradora)
Texas Speleological Association (Socia)
Union Mexicana de Agrupaciones Espeleologicas (Socia)
045-844-1478311 cel.
monicaponce1 by skype.
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Moni,
There are a description and both plan and profile maps of
Gruta del Palmito (Bustamante) in AMCS Bulletin 1, "Caves of the
Inter-American Highway", p. 16-18. Bulletin 1 is available as a free
download at <http://www.amcs-pubs.org/pubs.html>. An article about
the cave breathing (airflow) is in AMCS Newsletter no. 1, p. 98. A
proposal to turn the area into a national park is in Newsletter no.
2, p. 92-98. Early exploration and mapping are covered by two
articles in Newsletter no. 3, p. 11-16. Those are also available as
free downloads at <http://www.amcs-pubs.org/nl/oldNL.html>. There
are many other references to this popular cave, including biological
studies and more recent projects, in other AMCS and Texas Caver publications.
Mark
At 11:22 PM 5/3/2013, Espeleo Coahuila wrote:
hi friends.
could you can share information of reports of exploration in
Bustamante CAve.! We need all the information that you have.
Orion, could you send me a profile maps of this cave???
Steve, could you send me information about the salon that you talked
with me for the camp....
please,,, send me.
Moni
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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Sorry; the early exploration reports are in AMCS Newsletter
no. 4, not No. 3.
Mark
At 10:52 AM 5/4/2013, Mark Minton wrote:
Moni,
There are a description and both plan and profile maps of
Gruta del Palmito (Bustamante) in AMCS Bulletin 1, "Caves of the
Inter-American Highway", p. 16-18. Bulletin 1 is available as a
free download at <http://www.amcs-pubs.org/pubs.html>. An article
about the cave breathing (airflow) is in AMCS Newsletter no. 1, p.
98. A proposal to turn the area into a national park is in
Newsletter no. 2, p. 92-98. Early exploration and mapping are
covered by two articles in Newsletter no. 3, p. 11-16. Those are
also available as free downloads at
<http://www.amcs-pubs.org/nl/oldNL.html>. There are many other
references to this popular cave, including biological studies and
more recent projects, in other AMCS and Texas Caver publications.
Mark
At 11:22 PM 5/3/2013, Espeleo Coahuila wrote:
hi friends.
could you can share information of reports of exploration in
Bustamante CAve.! We need all the information that you have.
Orion, could you send me a profile maps of this cave???
Steve, could you send me information about the salon that you
talked with me for the camp....
please,,, send me.
Moni
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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Invented in 1998, this system doesn't seem to have caught on. -- Mixon
http://www.cancaver.ca/rats/sucs/
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Linda,
Thanks for your review. Only other one I've seen from a caver was from Gill Ediger on Facebook: "I went to the picture show. It was,
what, No Place on Earth. Despite the appearance of Rykwalder's name in the credits it turned out to be a pretty damned good cave movie. Bravo!"
Gill is of course kidding about Phillip Rykwalder, who was listed in the credits as "Cave Logistics" or something similar.
I went to the 5:20 showing in Austin and was disappointed there were only about 20 people. I did see at least one group of cavers going in
for the next show.
Re your comment "Families and people today would not be able to survive 1-1/2 years in a cave." Although most "typical" urban families
today probably wouldn't survive that situation, there are a lot of outdoor types (e.g., cavers, river rats, climbers, etc) plus "country" folks
(e.g., traditional farmers & ranchers) who are used to being self-sufficient and improvising. I think you and I know quite a few folks,
including many on these lists, who would have a lot better chance of surviving than most.
If the movie doesn't get enough viewers for a more expanded release, I hope
that at least it will be available on DVD. It's worth seeing.
Logan McNatt
On 5/4/2013 2:47 PM, Linda Starr wrote:
Hey grotto and SWR cavers,
We went to see "No Place on Earth" movie last night in Santa Fe. It was only $9, cheaper than other movies; a documentary that was well
worth seeing. I was nearly crying by the end. It is very stirring. I hope we can get it at The Guild in Albuquerque. There were 0 other cavers
at the showings in Santa Fe (at The Screen, on the campus of University of Art and Design) besides us.
At the 2007 convention in Indiana, a presentation was given by the author (the main character in the movie) of "The Secret of Priest's
Grotto." We went to the presentation then, and I was moved to buy the book and have it autographed. The movie characterizes the families,
their trials, their stories of survival and determination to escape from the Nazis during World War II, when the Germans invaded the Ukraine.
The movie makes you think, "Could I do this with my family if I had to." My answer is "NO!"
Anyway, if you get a chance to see the movie, you will be affected by it.
Linda Starr
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Linda Starr <lstarr...@gmail.com
<mailto:lstarr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Grotto cavers,
Check out this video site and try the link. *I got in and requested a
showing in Albuquerque. I suggested The Guild Theater./_It
would be great if my request received support from you_/ *so that we can see it locally. I might try going to Santa Fe Friday to see it.
This story looks really interesting. Check out the trailer.
Linda Starr
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From: *Logan McNatt* <lmcn...@austin.rr.com <mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com>>
Date: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:07 PM
Subject: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas
To: Texas Cavers <texascavers@texascavers.com
<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>, s...@caver.net <mailto:s...@caver.net>
For you folks in the Austin, Dallas, Santa Fe, and Scottsdale areas, a
reminder that you will have one chance to see the documentary movie
No Place on Earth.
*This Friday May 3*
_Austin_: Regal Arbor Cinema at Great Hills
_Santa Fe_: The Screen
_Scottsdale:_ Shea 14 Theater
*Next**Friday May 10*
_Dallas:_ Angelika Film Center and Cafe
For you folks in other states, try this link
http://www.noplaceonearthfilm.com/showtimes/
For those of you who don't know about the movie, the trailer is available
on numerous links, just Google it.
Hint: a true story about surviving in a cave for a very long time.
Logan
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I am passing thru Flatonia west-bound on my way to the dig. It is about
2:30 am.
If my road-trip goes well, I will be there in the morning with a big ladder.
Maybe the ladder will help diggers. If it doesn't, then hopefully there
is some other cave project that can use it.
I bet the Honda Fit engineers never envisioned their tiny little car
hauling a big ladder across Texas.
David Locklear
281-995-8487 ( text-line )
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Mexican topographic maps by INEGI are now available for free download.
1,238 cartas, escala 1:20 000 en formatos pdf, tiff y gif.
2,085 cartas, escala 1:50 000 en formatos tiff, gif, 2074 de las
cuales tienen formato shp y 2060 tienen formato pdf.
212 cartas históricas (1973-1988) escala 1:50 000 en formato pdf.
121 cartas, escala 1:250 000 en formato tiff y gif, 94 de las cuales
tienen además formato geopdf.
32 cartas (entidad federativa) escala 1:250 000 en formato pdf.
11 cartas, escala 1:1 1000 000 en formatos pdf, tiff, gif y shape.
The URL to get to the menu directly is
http://www.inegi.org.mx/sistemas/biblioteca/detalle2.aspx?c=2354&upc=0&s=geo&tg=999&f=2&cl=0&pf=Prod&ef=0&ct=206000000
It is possible to get there with less typing indirectly, but I haven't
figured it out completely yet. Free registration via a form in Spanish
is required; I haven't managed to do that right yet, either. But looks
like a useful and important service. Thanks for Dan Oliva for pointing
it out. -- Mixon
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Great news about free electronic Mexican
topos! However I am also not able to
register. No matter what I try, I always get an
error message. I suspect it may have to do with
the fact that some of the "required" information
boxes can't be filled in because they are grayed
out depending upon what else one selects. For
instance, if you choose United States as your
country, then the box for State is grayed out. I
tried to get around that by selecting Mexico as
my country and filling out the State and
Municipio boxes fictitiously. However in the
Occupation section it is impossible not to have
at least one grayed out box, because some of the
choices are mutually exclusive. I sent a message
(in Spanish) to INEGI using the contact form on
their web site, so we'll see if they
respond. Hopefully this is a glitch that can be fixed soon.
I'd like to hear if anyone else is able to register.
Mark
At 12:43 PM 5/5/2013, Mixon Bill wrote:
Mexican topographic maps by INEGI are now available for free download.
1,238 cartas, escala 1:20 000 en formatos pdf, tiff y gif.
2,085 cartas, escala 1:50 000 en formatos tiff, gif, 2074 de las
cuales tienen formato shp y 2060 tienen formato pdf.
212 cartas históricas (1973-1988) escala 1:50 000 en formato pdf.
121 cartas, escala 1:250 000 en formato tiff y gif, 94 de las cuales
tienen además formato geopdf.
32 cartas (entidad federativa) escala 1:250 000 en formato pdf.
11 cartas, escala 1:1 1000 000 en formatos pdf, tiff, gif y shape.
The URL to get to the menu directly is
http://www.inegi.org.mx/sistemas/biblioteca/detalle2.aspx?c=2354&upc=0&s=geo&tg=999&f=2&cl=0&pf=Prod&ef=0&ct=206000000
It is possible to get there with less typing indirectly, but I haven't
figured it out completely yet. Free registration via a form in Spanish
is required; I haven't managed to do that right yet, either. But looks
like a useful and important service. Thanks for Dan Oliva for pointing
it out. -- Mixon
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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We went to the 7:20 show in Austin. It was a beautiful film that every caver
and their families should see.
Sent from my iPad
On May 4, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Logan McNatt <lmcn...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> Linda,
> Thanks for your review. Only other one I've seen from a caver was from
> Gill Ediger on Facebook: "I went to the picture show. It was, what, No Place
> on Earth. Despite the appearance of Rykwalder's name in the credits it turned
> out to be a pretty damned good cave movie. Bravo!" Gill is of course kidding
> about Phillip Rykwalder, who was listed in the credits as "Cave Logistics" or
> something similar.
>
> I went to the 5:20 showing in Austin and was disappointed there were only
> about 20 people. I did see at least one group of cavers going in for the
> next show.
>
> Re your comment "Families and people today would not be able to survive
> 1-1/2 years in a cave." Although most "typical" urban families today
> probably wouldn't survive that situation, there are a lot of outdoor types
> (e.g., cavers, river rats, climbers, etc) plus "country" folks (e.g.,
> traditional farmers & ranchers) who are used to being self-sufficient and
> improvising. I think you and I know quite a few folks, including many on
> these lists, who would have a lot better chance of surviving than most.
>
> If the movie doesn't get enough viewers for a more expanded release, I
> hope that at least it will be available on DVD. It's worth seeing.
>
> Logan McNatt
>
>
> On 5/4/2013 2:47 PM, Linda Starr wrote:
>> Hey grotto and SWR cavers,
>> We went to see "No Place on Earth" movie last night in Santa Fe. It was
>> only $9, cheaper than other movies; a documentary that was well worth
>> seeing. I was nearly crying by the end. It is very stirring. I hope we can
>> get it at The Guild in Albuquerque. There were 0 other cavers at the
>> showings in Santa Fe (at The Screen, on the campus of University of Art and
>> Design) besides us.
>> At the 2007 convention in Indiana, a presentation was given by the
>> author (the main character in the movie) of "The Secret of Priest's Grotto."
>> We went to the presentation then, and I was moved to buy the book and have
>> it autographed. The movie characterizes the families, their trials, their
>> stories of survival and determination to escape from the Nazis during
>> World War II, when the Germans invaded the Ukraine. The movie makes you
>> think, "Could I do this with my family if I had to." My answer is "NO!"
>> Anyway, if you get a chance to see the movie, you will be affected by
>> it.
>> Linda Starr
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Linda Starr <lstarr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Grotto cavers,
>>> Check out this video site and try the link. I got in and requested a
>>> showing in Albuquerque. I suggested The Guild Theater. It would be great if
>>> my request received support from you so that we can see it locally. I might
>>> try going to Santa Fe Friday to see it. This story looks really
>>> interesting. Check out the trailer.
>>> Linda Starr
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Logan McNatt <lmcn...@austin.rr.com>
>>> Date: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:07 PM
>>> Subject: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas
>>> To: Texas Cavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>, s...@caver.net
>>>
>>>
>>> For you folks in the Austin, Dallas, Santa Fe, and Scottsdale areas, a
>>> reminder that you will have one chance to see the documentary movie No
>>> Place on Earth.
>>>
>>> This Friday May 3
>>> Austin: Regal Arbor Cinema at Great Hills
>>>
>>> Santa Fe: The Screen
>>>
>>> Scottsdale: Shea 14 Theater
>>>
>>> Next Friday May 10
>>> Dallas: Angelika Film Center and Cafe
>>>
>>> For you folks in other states, try this link
>>> http://www.noplaceonearthfilm.com/showtimes/
>>>
>>> For those of you who don't know about the movie, the trailer is available
>>> on numerous links, just Google it.
>>> Hint: a true story about surviving in a cave for a very long time.
>>>
>>> Logan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> SWR mailing list
>>> s...@caver.net
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>>> _______________________________________________
>>> This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
>
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My main complaint is that they didn't promote it via the local media. I
think it would have had a really good turnout if it had been advertised.
--Ediger
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