texascavers Digest 18 Jun 2013 23:46:53 -0000 Issue 1779
Topics (messages 21971 through 21982):
Re: Remembering
21971 by: Gill Edigar
21973 by: Nico Escamilla
TCR Dates
21972 by: Denise P
21974 by: Stefan Creaser
21975 by: Jim Kennedy
21976 by: Don Arburn
Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
21977 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net
21978 by: Stefan Creaser
21979 by: Don Arburn
21980 by: Don Arburn
21981 by: Allan B. Cobb
21982 by: Stefan Creaser
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Gruta del Palmito (Bustamante) was my first wild cave. It was a
mind-altering experience. I have watched the situation concerning the cave
go through many changes over the years. It has been a very jerky
Mexican-type natural progression from a totally wild, ask nobody for
permission, do whatever you want wherever you want to do it, sort of cave
to a gated tourist attraction with an artificial entrance tunnel. In the
early days we had to follow a burro trail across the thorn infested desert
to get there; today there's a road that more closely resembles the main
runway of an international airport. Cavers have helped with some of the
intermediate steps of the progress and enhanced goodwill with those
responsible for the welfare of the cave. But otherwise US cavers (with a
couple of notable exceptions) have been of little importance in the overall
development of the cave, including the cleanup and restoration work done by
the TSA Projects held there in the last few years of the '90s. Their
commercialization efforts would have gone on without us. We were just an
adjunct to everything else. It is my general opinion that the situation and
development at Gruta del Palmito would have taken place pretty much
exactly the way it did if cavers would never had lifted a hand otherwise.
We have not been betrayed despite our efforts in Palmito any more than
cavers have been betrayed by the commercialization of, say, Caverns of
Sonora. A few Texans served with technical advice but the overall scheme
of things was basically a local effort. Cavers can still get off-trail
access through prior arrangement.
--Ediger
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Louise Power <power_lou...@hotmail.com>wrote:
> Mimi,
>
> I remember one of my first trips down there. I think Orion was the trip
> leader, but I'm not sure who else was there. We had just started down from
> the entrance on the breakdown slope when way off in the distance we kept
> hearing somebody calling "Luz," "Luz". So we all shown our lights downhill
> toward the cries and saw 3 or 4 of the local guys crawling around down
> below with no light trying to figure their way out. I can't remember how
> long they said they'd been in the dark, but it had been quite awhile (or
> maybe it just seemed that way). We loaned them a couple of our extra
> flashlights and they trotted off toward the entrance.
>
> Good practical reinforcement of one of the first rules of caving for me
> for me on one of my first "big cave" trips--never go without 3 independent
> sources of light.
>
> Of course, mine didn't have the lasting exitement yours did.
>
> Louise
>
> > From: mjca...@gmail.com
> > Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500
> > To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> > Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering
> >
> > 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on
> my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination -
> Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never
> stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that
> trip, either.
> >
> > Time flies when you're having fun:)
> >
> > Mimi Jasek
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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Amen brother Gill
El martes, 18 de junio de 2013, Gill Edigar escribió:
> Gruta del Palmito (Bustamante) was my first wild cave. It was a
> mind-altering experience. I have watched the situation concerning the cave
> go through many changes over the years. It has been a very jerky
> Mexican-type natural progression from a totally wild, ask nobody for
> permission, do whatever you want wherever you want to do it, sort of cave
> to a gated tourist attraction with an artificial entrance tunnel. In the
> early days we had to follow a burro trail across the thorn infested desert
> to get there; today there's a road that more closely resembles the main
> runway of an international airport. Cavers have helped with some of the
> intermediate steps of the progress and enhanced goodwill with those
> responsible for the welfare of the cave. But otherwise US cavers (with a
> couple of notable exceptions) have been of little importance in the overall
> development of the cave, including the cleanup and restoration work done by
> the TSA Projects held there in the last few years of the '90s. Their
> commercialization efforts would have gone on without us. We were just an
> adjunct to everything else. It is my general opinion that the situation and
> development at Gruta del Palmito would have taken place pretty much
> exactly the way it did if cavers would never had lifted a hand otherwise.
> We have not been betrayed despite our efforts in Palmito any more than
> cavers have been betrayed by the commercialization of, say, Caverns of
> Sonora. A few Texans served with technical advice but the overall scheme
> of things was basically a local effort. Cavers can still get off-trail
> access through prior arrangement.
> --Ediger
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Louise Power
> <power_lou...@hotmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'power_lou...@hotmail.com');>
> > wrote:
>
>> Mimi,
>>
>> I remember one of my first trips down there. I think Orion was the trip
>> leader, but I'm not sure who else was there. We had just started down from
>> the entrance on the breakdown slope when way off in the distance we kept
>> hearing somebody calling "Luz," "Luz". So we all shown our lights downhill
>> toward the cries and saw 3 or 4 of the local guys crawling around down
>> below with no light trying to figure their way out. I can't remember how
>> long they said they'd been in the dark, but it had been quite awhile (or
>> maybe it just seemed that way). We loaned them a couple of our extra
>> flashlights and they trotted off toward the entrance.
>>
>> Good practical reinforcement of one of the first rules of caving for me
>> for me on one of my first "big cave" trips--never go without 3 independent
>> sources of light.
>>
>> Of course, mine didn't have the lasting exitement yours did.
>>
>> Louise
>>
>> > From: mjca...@gmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
>> 'mjca...@gmail.com');>
>> > Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500
>> > To: texascavers@texascavers.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
>> 'texascavers@texascavers.com');>
>> > Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering
>> >
>> > 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on
>> my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination -
>> Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never
>> stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that
>> trip, either.
>> >
>> > Time flies when you're having fun:)
>> >
>> > Mimi Jasek
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail:
>> > texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
>> > 'texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com');>
>> > For additional commands, e-mail:
>> > texascavers-h...@texascavers.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
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>> >
>>
>
>
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Hello-Can someone please confirm the exact dates for TCR ths year? I see both
October 17 - 20 and 18 - 21 in various places. Is Thursday going to be added
this year to the event? It's usually just Friday through Sunday, right?
Thanks,
Denise
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Well the 20th is a Sunday, so I expect it ends then...
Some people turn up on Thursday.
Cheers,
Stefan
From: Denise P [mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:02 PM
To: TexasCavers
Subject: [Texascavers] TCR Dates
Hello-Can someone please confirm the exact dates for TCR ths year? I see both
October 17 - 20 and 18 - 21 in various places. Is Thursday going to be added
this year to the event? It's usually just Friday through Sunday, right?
Thanks,
Denise
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Thursday was officially added this year, because people started showing up
then anyhow.
-- Jim
From: Denise P [mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:02 PM
To: TexasCavers
Subject: [Texascavers] TCR Dates
Hello-Can someone please confirm the exact dates for TCR ths year? I see
both October 17 - 20 and 18 - 21 in various places. Is Thursday going to be
added this year to the event? It's usually just Friday through Sunday,
right?
Thanks,
Denise
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Actually, it was added last year.
Sent cellularly.
-Don
On Jun 18, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Jim Kennedy <cavercr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thursday was officially added this year, because people started showing up
> then anyhow.
>
> -- Jim
>
>
> From: Denise P [mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:02 PM
> To: TexasCavers
> Subject: [Texascavers] TCR Dates
>
> Hello-Can someone please confirm the exact dates for TCR ths year? I see both
> October 17 - 20 and 18 - 21 in various places. Is Thursday going to be added
> this year to the event? It's usually just Friday through Sunday, right?
>
> Thanks,
> Denise
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Know of anyone out there that might be interested? This is definitely a great
bargain and One Big Tough Truck. I have been driving it and I think Dan has
honestly advertised it.
.
Go to the Drop Box Link.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ee5388v3338m6u7/1988%20Suburban.docx?m
Dwight
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Mebbe “Crash” Kennedy?
-S.
From: dirt...@comcast.net [mailto:dirt...@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:16 PM
To: Cave NM; Cave Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
Know of anyone out there that might be interested? This is definitely a great
bargain and One Big Tough Truck. I have been driving it and I think Dan has
honestly advertised it.
.
Go to the Drop Box Link.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ee5388v3338m6u7/1988%20Suburban.docx?m
Dwight
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The name Moby is taken. And Moby ain't fer sale.
Sent cellularly.
-Don
On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Stefan Creaser <stefan.crea...@arm.com> wrote:
> Mebbe “Crash” Kennedy?
>
> -S.
>
> From: dirt...@comcast.net [mailto:dirt...@comcast.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:16 PM
> To: Cave NM; Cave Texas
> Subject: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
>
> Know of anyone out there that might be interested? This is definitely a great
> bargain and One Big Tough Truck. I have been driving it and I think Dan has
> honestly advertised it.
> .
> Go to the Drop Box Link.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ee5388v3338m6u7/1988%20Suburban.docx?m
> Dwight
>
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And mines a SUPER truck, I don't really know what a 'supper' truck is.
Sent cellularly.
-Don
On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:35 PM, Don Arburn <donarb...@mac.com> wrote:
> The name Moby is taken. And Moby ain't fer sale.
>
> Sent cellularly.
> -Don
>
> On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Stefan Creaser <stefan.crea...@arm.com> wrote:
>
>> Mebbe “Crash” Kennedy?
>>
>> -S.
>>
>> From: dirt...@comcast.net [mailto:dirt...@comcast.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:16 PM
>> To: Cave NM; Cave Texas
>> Subject: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
>>
>> Know of anyone out there that might be interested? This is definitely a
>> great bargain and One Big Tough Truck. I have been driving it and I think
>> Dan has honestly advertised it.
>> .
>> Go to the Drop Box Link.
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ee5388v3338m6u7/1988%20Suburban.docx?m
>> Dwight
>>
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>> recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the
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Don, your truck eats other trucks for breakfast. That Suburban has to wait
until dinner.
From: Don Arburn
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:39 PM
To: TSA Cavers List
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
And mines a SUPER truck, I don't really know what a 'supper' truck is.
Sent cellularly.
-Don
On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:35 PM, Don Arburn <donarb...@mac.com> wrote:
The name Moby is taken. And Moby ain't fer sale.
Sent cellularly.
-Don
On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Stefan Creaser <stefan.crea...@arm.com> wrote:
Mebbe “Crash” Kennedy?
-S.
From: dirt...@comcast.net [mailto:dirt...@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:16 PM
To: Cave NM; Cave Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
Know of anyone out there that might be interested? This is definitely a
great bargain and One Big Tough Truck. I have been driving it and I think Dan
has honestly advertised it.
.
Go to the Drop Box Link.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ee5388v3338m6u7/1988%20Suburban.docx?m
Dwight
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One that delivers food?
From: Don Arburn [mailto:donarb...@mac.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:39 PM
To: TSA Cavers List
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
And mines a SUPER truck, I don't really know what a 'supper' truck is.
Sent cellularly.
-Don
On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:35 PM, Don Arburn
<donarb...@mac.com<mailto:donarb...@mac.com>> wrote:
The name Moby is taken. And Moby ain't fer sale.
Sent cellularly.
-Don
On Jun 18, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Stefan Creaser
<stefan.crea...@arm.com<mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com>> wrote:
Mebbe “Crash” Kennedy?
-S.
From: dirt...@comcast.net<mailto:dirt...@comcast.net>
[mailto:dirt...@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:16 PM
To: Cave NM; Cave Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving
Know of anyone out there that might be interested? This is definitely a great
bargain and One Big Tough Truck. I have been driving it and I think Dan has
honestly advertised it.
.
Go to the Drop Box Link.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ee5388v3338m6u7/1988%20Suburban.docx?m
Dwight
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