I wouldn't think a wildlife foundation would find any variety of snakes to be undesirable but I do understand the human safety factor.
Fritz (troublemaker) ________________________________ From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:14 AM To: wesley s Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes At the Welder Wildlife Foundation headquarters (living quarters, lab and libraries, admin offices, etc) comprising an area of 5 or so acres they have a 4-foot high hog-wire perimeter fence with a 12 or 18 inch barrier of 1/2-inch hardware cloth (set into the soil a couple of inches) wired to to the bottom of the hog-wire around the entire perimeter. The hog-wire keeps the larger animals out of the compound and the 1/2-inch mesh keeps the majority of the rattle snakes out. Desirable snakes and other beasts are permitted inside the compound. --Ediger On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 2:13 PM, wesley s <mudmal...@hotmail.com<mailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com>> wrote: We have deterrents in place like chickens and a cat but they still come into our territory. Drawn no doubt by the abundant food and water. We gave the last snake a three strikes policy and after being hosed down and chased off twice it came back onto our front porch where it was dispatched. I would have relocated it were i home at the time but Alia did what she could. So far the rest have been more respectful of our boundaries. I say live and let live. They keep the mice down for us and that counts for something. Wes~ ________________________________ List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:05:06 -0700 From: andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com<mailto:andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com> To: o...@texascavers.com<mailto:o...@texascavers.com>; texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>; mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us<mailto:mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us>; jennyh...@anthonytravel.com<mailto:jennyh...@anthonytravel.com>; bbat...@gmail.com<mailto:bbat...@gmail.com>; sashm...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:sashm...@sbcglobal.net>; samashm...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:samashm...@sbcglobal.net>; sdear...@townandcountryins.com<mailto:sdear...@townandcountryins.com>; hea...@satx.rr.com<mailto:hea...@satx.rr.com>; kittymr...@aol.com<mailto:kittymr...@aol.com>; janjanj...@aol.com<mailto:janjanj...@aol.com>; jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us<mailto:jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us>; j_e_wag...@comcast.net<mailto:j_e_wag...@comcast.net>; ka...@karenashmore.com<mailto:ka...@karenashmore.com>; badba...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:badba...@sbcglobal.net>; r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net>; fh...@townandcountryins.com<mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes Rattlesnake conservation is a tough row to hoe, period. Not a lot of fondness on the part of the general public for a creature that the Book tells us is the definition of evil. Andy Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095<tel:%28512%29%20799-1095> a...@gluesenkamp.com<mailto:a...@gluesenkamp.com> --- On Tue, 5/22/12, Fritz Holt <fh...@townandcountryins.com<mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com>> wrote: From: Fritz Holt <fh...@townandcountryins.com<mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com>> Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes To: "Off-Topic Texas Cavers" <o...@texascavers.com<mailto:o...@texascavers.com>>, "TexasCavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>, "'Mandy Holt'" <mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us<mailto:mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us>>, "'Jenny Holt'" <jennyh...@anthonytravel.com<mailto:jennyh...@anthonytravel.com>>, "'bbat...@gmail.com<mailto:bbat...@gmail.com>'" <bbat...@gmail.com<mailto:bbat...@gmail.com>>, "'Steve Ashmore'" <sashm...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:sashm...@sbcglobal.net>>, "'Sam Ashmore'" <samashm...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:samashm...@sbcglobal.net>>, "Sally Dearing" <sdear...@townandcountryins.com<mailto:sdear...@townandcountryins.com>>, "'Guy Heath'" <hea...@satx.rr.com<mailto:hea...@satx.rr.com>>, "'June Levy'" <kittymr...@aol.com<mailto:kittymr...@aol.com>>, "'Janice Vieira'" <janjanj...@aol.com<mailto:janjanj...@aol.com>>, "'Jim Sherwin'" <jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us<mailto:jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us>>, "'James E. Wagner'" <j_e_wag...@comcast.net<mailto:j_e_wag...@comcast.net>>, "'Karen Ashmore'" <ka...@karenashmore.com<mailto:ka...@karenashmore.com>>, "'Debra Batts'" <badba...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:badba...@sbcglobal.net>>, "'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net>'" <r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net>> List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:44 AM I don't share my good friend's feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am amazed by all snakes and reptiles in general. Being a city dude I took every opportunity to have outdoor adventures and to take my family camping. My daughters and I still enjoy it to this day. We still remove turtles to the relative safety of our highway rights of way. Too many uninformed individuals condemn all snakes due to the lack of public education such as that afforded by BCI for bats. If harmful snakes invade your immediate territory remove them to a distant similar habitat. I consider myself an environmentalist but not so extreme as to place all creatures needs above that of man. There is always a way to satisfy both goals. While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they should not be placed on the endangered species list unless there is solid evidence that they are in danger of becoming extinct. There is already too much government intervention in our daily lives. I have never been in favor of the Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup and other such events even if it did put them on the map for tourists. This is money the town could do without. VIVA LA RATTLESNAKE! Fritz ________________________________ Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS endangered! We have an understanding. THEY stay in the wild and do NOT come in MY territory and I will leave them alone. Otherwise, they will go to the great snake heaven in the sky. Jackie Feds Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to 'Endangered Species List' to Deny Land Rights<http://visiontoamerica.org/9869/feds-considering-adding-rattlesnakes-to-endangered-species-list-to-deny-land-rights/> Environmental groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing the poisonous eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order to protect the reptile from "human persecution." "Survival of these snakes in large part depends on whether people continue to persecute them or instead choose to allow these amazing creatures to share the land with us," Bill Matturro, spokesman for Protect All Living Species, said in welcoming the government's decision, announced earlier this month. "In the Southeast, we are blessed with a rich natural heritage of animals and plants. All of these species-even the rattlesnakes-should be allowed to exist." The Fish and Wildlife Service says they are taking comments on listing the snake because environmental groups presented "substantial scientific or commercial information indicating that listing the eastern diamondback rattlesnake may be warranted."
