texascavers Digest 27 May 2012 22:59:08 -0000 Issue 1558
Topics (messages 20044 through 20053):
Re: No Tile Roof for Me
20044 by: Fritz Holt
Re: Poor little rattlesnakes
20045 by: Fritz Holt
20047 by: wesley s
20048 by: Andy Gluesenkamp
20051 by: R D Milhollin
20052 by: Arburn Don
Northern Region Cave Closures
20046 by: Mark Minton
my ex-Facebook
20049 by: Mixon Bill
20050 by: Stefan Creaser
TSA Meeting Minutes
20053 by: Denise P
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Would you like a "Tile Roof"?
I've always thought they were neat that can be found in Florida, California and
Mexico..... And then someone sent me this video of a re-roofing project. Don't
know how they kept the workers at it!!!
This clip will be enough to make you swear off of tile roofs the rest of your
life! Bat infestation on a roof...oh god no! - Video
Fantastica!<http://www.videofantastica.com/view_video/111489/>
At least they probably don't have a problem with mosquitoes.
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I wouldn't think a wildlife foundation would find any variety of snakes to be
undesirable but I do understand the human safety factor.
Fritz (troublemaker)
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From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill
Edigar
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:14 AM
To: wesley s
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
At the Welder Wildlife Foundation headquarters (living quarters, lab and
libraries, admin offices, etc) comprising an area of 5 or so acres they have a
4-foot high hog-wire perimeter fence with a 12 or 18 inch barrier of 1/2-inch
hardware cloth (set into the soil a couple of inches) wired to to the bottom of
the hog-wire around the entire perimeter. The hog-wire keeps the larger animals
out of the compound and the 1/2-inch mesh keeps the majority of the rattle
snakes out. Desirable snakes and other beasts are permitted inside the compound.
--Ediger
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 2:13 PM, wesley s
<mudmal...@hotmail.com<mailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
We have deterrents in place like chickens and a cat but they still come into
our territory. Drawn no doubt by the abundant food and water. We gave the last
snake a three strikes policy and after being hosed down and chased off twice it
came back onto our front porch where it was dispatched. I would have relocated
it were i home at the time but Alia did what she could. So far the rest have
been more respectful of our boundaries. I say live and let live. They keep the
mice down for us and that counts for something.
Wes~
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List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:05:06 -0700
From: andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com<mailto:andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com>
To: o...@texascavers.com<mailto:o...@texascavers.com>;
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Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
Rattlesnake conservation is a tough row to hoe, period.
Not a lot of fondness on the part of the general public for a creature that the
Book tells us is the definition of evil.
Andy
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095<tel:%28512%29%20799-1095>
a...@gluesenkamp.com<mailto:a...@gluesenkamp.com>
--- On Tue, 5/22/12, Fritz Holt
<fh...@townandcountryins.com<mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com>> wrote:
From: Fritz Holt
<fh...@townandcountryins.com<mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com>>
Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
To: "Off-Topic Texas Cavers"
<o...@texascavers.com<mailto:o...@texascavers.com>>, "TexasCavers"
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>, "'Mandy
Holt'" <mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us<mailto:mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us>>, "'Jenny
Holt'" <jennyh...@anthonytravel.com<mailto:jennyh...@anthonytravel.com>>,
"'bbat...@gmail.com<mailto:bbat...@gmail.com>'"
<bbat...@gmail.com<mailto:bbat...@gmail.com>>, "'Steve Ashmore'"
<sashm...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:sashm...@sbcglobal.net>>, "'Sam Ashmore'"
<samashm...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:samashm...@sbcglobal.net>>, "Sally Dearing"
<sdear...@townandcountryins.com<mailto:sdear...@townandcountryins.com>>, "'Guy
Heath'" <hea...@satx.rr.com<mailto:hea...@satx.rr.com>>, "'June Levy'"
<kittymr...@aol.com<mailto:kittymr...@aol.com>>, "'Janice Vieira'"
<janjanj...@aol.com<mailto:janjanj...@aol.com>>, "'Jim Sherwin'"
<jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us<mailto:jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us>>, "'James E.
Wagner'" <j_e_wag...@comcast.net<mailto:j_e_wag...@comcast.net>>, "'Karen
Ashmore'" <ka...@karenashmore.com<mailto:ka...@karenashmore.com>>, "'Debra
Batts'" <badba...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:badba...@sbcglobal.net>>,
"'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net>'"
<r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net>>
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:44 AM
I don't share my good friend's feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am
amazed by all snakes and reptiles in general. Being a city dude I took every
opportunity to have outdoor adventures and to take my family camping. My
daughters and I still enjoy it to this day. We still remove turtles to the
relative safety of our highway rights of way. Too many uninformed individuals
condemn all snakes due to the lack of public education such as that afforded by
BCI for bats. If harmful snakes invade your immediate territory remove them to
a distant similar habitat. I consider myself an environmentalist but not so
extreme as to place all creatures needs above that of man. There is always a
way to satisfy both goals. While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they
should not be placed on the endangered species list unless there is solid
evidence that they are in danger of becoming extinct. There is already too much
government intervention in our daily lives. I have never been in favor of the
Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup and other such events even if it did put them on
the map for tourists. This is money the town could do without. VIVA LA
RATTLESNAKE!
Fritz
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Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS
endangered! We have an understanding. THEY stay in the wild and do NOT come
in MY territory and I will leave them alone. Otherwise, they will go to the
great snake heaven in the sky.
Jackie
Feds Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to 'Endangered Species List' to Deny Land
Rights<http://visiontoamerica.org/9869/feds-considering-adding-rattlesnakes-to-endangered-species-list-to-deny-land-rights/>
Environmental groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing
the poisonous eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order
to protect the reptile from "human persecution."
"Survival of these snakes in large part depends on whether people continue to
persecute them or instead choose to allow these amazing creatures to share the
land with us," Bill Matturro, spokesman for Protect All Living Species, said in
welcoming the government's decision, announced earlier this month. "In the
Southeast, we are blessed with a rich natural heritage of animals and plants.
All of these species-even the rattlesnakes-should be allowed to exist."
The Fish and Wildlife Service says they are taking comments on listing the
snake because environmental groups presented "substantial scientific or
commercial information indicating that listing the eastern diamondback
rattlesnake may be warranted."
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Battered and fried actually. The bones were a bit of a problem but i guess that
just proves rattlers werent meant for eating.
Wes~
CC: bgillegi...@gmail.com
From: tmrai...@amcs.org
To: mudmal...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:56:20 -0500
That seem very fair Wes, and I'm sure you make tacos so as not to be wasteful.
Tastes Like Fish, Terry
On May 23, 2012, at 2:13 PM, wesley s wrote:
We have deterrents in place like chickens and a cat but they still come into
our territory. Drawn no doubt by the abundant food and water. We gave the last
snake a three strikes policy and after being hosed down and chased off twice it
came back onto our front porch where it was dispatched. I would have relocated
it were i home at the time but Alia did what she could. So far the rest have
been more respectful of our boundaries. I say live and let live. They keep the
mice down for us and that counts for something.
Wes~
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Tastes like stringy fish that had been eating rats. I've skinned, gutted,
defleshed, and skeletonized about a hundred of them and they are not the most
appetizing snake for food. Fresh boa or python looks and smells pretty good
and the boneless backstraps are huge. Still, the "eats rats" thing. .....
Sent from my iPhone
On May 24, 2012, at 3:19 PM, wesley s <mudmal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Battered and fried actually. The bones were a bit of a problem but i guess
> that just proves rattlers werent meant for eating.
>
> Wes~
> CC: bgillegi...@gmail.com
> From: tmrai...@amcs.org
> To: mudmal...@hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:56:20 -0500
>
> That seem very fair Wes, and I'm sure you make tacos so as not to be wasteful.
>
> Tastes Like Fish, Terry
>
>
> On May 23, 2012, at 2:13 PM, wesley s wrote:
>
> We have deterrents in place like chickens and a cat but they still come into
> our territory. Drawn no doubt by the abundant food and water. We gave the
> last snake a three strikes policy and after being hosed down and chased off
> twice it came back onto our front porch where it was dispatched. I would have
> relocated it were i home at the time but Alia did what she could. So far the
> rest have been more respectful of our boundaries. I say live and let live.
> They keep the mice down for us and that counts for something.
>
> Wes~
>
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I have eaten rats in a tomato and chile stew in San Luis Potosi - delicioso.
I envy those snakes.
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From: Andy Gluesenkamp <andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com>
To: wesley s <mudmal...@hotmail.com>
Cc: "<tmrai...@amcs.org>" <tmrai...@amcs.org>; "<texascavers@texascavers.com>"
<texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
Tastes like stringy fish that had been eating rats. I've skinned, gutted,
defleshed, and skeletonized about a hundred of them and they are not the most
appetizing snake for food. Fresh boa or python looks and smells pretty good
and the boneless backstraps are huge. Still, the "eats rats" thing. .....
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Explains a LOT.
On May 25, 2012, at 10:42 AM, R D Milhollin wrote:
> I have eaten rats in a tomato and chile stew in San Luis Potosi - delicioso.
>
> I envy those snakes.
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Apparently the northern region of the U. S. Forest service
is considering a plan to close all caves on Forest Service lands in
the northern Rockies of Montana and Idaho to protect against WNS,
even before there is any evidence that it is a threat there. The
plan could take effect this summer. Our nemesis the Center for
Biological Diversity has a hand in this. Ex-Texas caver Mike
McEachern is quoted in the
article.
<http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-05-16/business/sns-rt-us-usa-bats-diseasebre84g05f-20120516_1_bat-disease-white-nose-syndrome-caves-and-mines>
Mark
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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In a moment of weakness I signed up for Facebook. During the time
before I deleted the account, several of you asked to "friend" me. The
messages did not contain your e-mail addresses, so the only convenient
way to tell you why your request has been ignored is this broadcast
message. But thanks. -- Mixon
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I saw that, briefly, in the corner of my facebook screen. I couldn't believe
it! I checked my medication, just in case, but it was fine. I wasn't imagining
it!
-Stefan
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From: Mixon Bill [bmixon...@austin.rr.com]
Sent: 24 May 2012 21:37
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] my ex-Facebook
In a moment of weakness I signed up for Facebook. During the time
before I deleted the account, several of you asked to "friend" me. The
messages did not contain your e-mail addresses, so the only convenient
way to tell you why your request has been ignored is this broadcast
message. But thanks. -- Mixon
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Hello - The minutes from the May TSA meeting are posted.
There’s a direct link from the home page to the minutes under
announcements:http://www.cavetexas.org/index.html
Thanks,
Denise
TSA Secretary
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