texascavers Digest 9 Jul 2012 22:02:58 -0000 Issue 1587
Topics (messages 20329 through 20333):
Re: Mexican drug wars
20329 by: tom rogers
20330 by: Lyndon Tiu
Jill Orr edress
20331 by: BBURNETT1.austin.rr.com
Jill's edress
20332 by: BBURNETT1.austin.rr.com
Kiwi Sink Trip Report
20333 by: Gill Edigar
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We're being "protected" from the truth. The news won't tell us what is really
happening. I have relatives who live in Europe. They know more about what's
going on in Mexico than most Americans do. Tom Rogers
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From: freddie poer
Sent: 7 Jul 2012 12:25:02 GMT
To: Mixon Bill
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed
is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa
versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is
true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it
firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American
tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.
--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill <bmixon...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
From: Mixon Bill <bmixon...@austin.rr.com>
Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
To: "Cavers Texas" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM
For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article
in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the
Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:
"In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust," in
Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that
much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that
would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?...
"I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab raid in
Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the
drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted,
the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then
was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as widely reported? Well, no. There
had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of
equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven
pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal
presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho,
finally said, "Yes, five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been
methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not
"finished product," and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S.,
where meth is often sold by the gram, that
amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had
been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?"
I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
--Mixon
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US English language mainstream news media do not report much about Mexico.
But US Spanish language channels do. Watch them, a dozen or so are
available over the air.
Oh, these channels are in Spanish BTW.
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 9:01 AM, tom rogers <decksunlimi...@hotmail.com>wrote:
> We're being "protected" from the truth. The news won't tell us what is
> really happening. I have relatives who live in Europe. They know more
> about what's going on in Mexico than most Americans do. Tom Rogers
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: freddie poer
> Sent: 7 Jul 2012 12:25:02 GMT
> To: Mixon Bill
> Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
>
> It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have
> noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there,
> and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much
> of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has
> witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in
> scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave
> American cavers.
>
> --- On *Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill <bmixon...@austin.rr.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Mixon Bill <bmixon...@austin.rr.com>
> Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
> To: "Cavers Texas" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM
>
> For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long
> article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press
> reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From
> the article:
>
> "In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust,"
> in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value
> of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars.
> If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it
> true?...
>
> "I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab
> raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of
> drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more
> experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if
> the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as
> widely reported? Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were
> precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was
> eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the
> record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in
> Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, "Yes,
> five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready
> for packing, according to the Army. But it was not "finished product," and
> there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often
> sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars.
> So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?"
>
> I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
> --Mixon
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> I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things
> your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how
> everything works." That's when I wake up.
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Lyndon Tiu
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Somebody send me Jill’s edress.
Thanks,
REB
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That’s enough. Thanks,
REB
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KIWI SINK Trip Report--A digging crew consisting of Don Broussard,
Alex Benavente, Gill Ediger, Ernie Garza, Andy Gluesenkamp, Jim Jasek,
Mimi Jasek, Terry Raines, and Ron Rutherford removed 10 55-gallon
drums of debris from the entrance of Kiwi Sink yesterday, 8 July 2012.
Several open voids in the fill under bedrock ceilings were opened to
the north and west, heading in the direction of floodwater flow. More
work is needed to get us into people-sized passage to the north.
A tarp was raised to put some shade on the dig after the morning
clouds went away and the sun came out. Just as we were picking up
tools the rains began. The next dig will be held on 22 July. Watch for
announcements. You can call me at 410-303-1177 if you have a question
you think I can answer.
--Ediger
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