I am glad to see that so many people still feel ownership of TSA. It might be even more effective if all those people attend the meetings and offer their input and opinions there. I have not seen all that many at recent TSA meetings, including the most recent one at TCR. I was not at that meeting, since I was still cooking breakfast for the masses. I would say that, even though we all feel ownership, the way to pass on those valuable historical insights and to have your voice heard is to attend the meetings and to communicate with the officers. Being an officer sometimes feels like a thankless job, and there is often ample criticism and minimal appreciation. So Thanks to all who are serving and have served, and cheers to those of you who decide to serve again. Bylaws can be changed or more meetings can be scheduled. Let's all continue to contribute to the growth of TSA.
Linda On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Jerry <jerryat...@aol.com> wrote: > It might have been prudent for someone to ask if there was a reason to > hold a TSA Winter Business meeting before just cancelling it because "it > was close to both the fall and spring meetings". The Winter meeting > introduces the new officers to the membership and formally inducts them > into the responsibilities of the Executive Council. It was found that it > was best to have a meeting early on in the year so that the new slate of > officers don't wait until the Spring Convention to start working on TSA > business or really giving it much thought. > > ..... sorta like the way you all decided to get rid of it, -- not much > thought..... just convenience .... > > Jerry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Julia Germany <germa...@aol.com> > To: Mark.Alman <mark.al...@l-3com.com>; Texascavers < > Texascavers@texascavers.com> > Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:47 pm > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* > > Well, that clears up everything. > > So - three meetings were held in 2011. > > And, until the by-laws are changed, there need to be three meetings in > 2012. > > Then, it's up to the new administration to follow or change the by-laws > concerning the number of meetings they hold in 2012. > > Cool! Thanks for clearing that up, Mark! > > And, I like Ryan's idea that we hold one of the meetings at/in/near water, > and preferably in a cave......... > > julia > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark.Alman <mark.al...@l-3com.com> > To: Julia Germany <germa...@aol.com> > Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:31 pm > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* > > Yes and yes. > > > Mark > > > *From:* Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com <germa...@aol.com?>] > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:24 PM > *To:* Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS > *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* > > I'm getting confused. > > So, you did have three meetings in 2011? > > So, this discussion is about the 2012 business meeting? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark.Alman <mark.al...@l-3com.com> > To: Julia Germany <germa...@aol.com>; JerryAtkin <jerryat...@aol.com>; > ellie.thoene <ellie.tho...@gmail.com>; trhli <tr...@sprynet.com> > Cc: texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> > Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:15 pm > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* > > From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: > > > > *Article V: MEETINGS.* At least three TSA meetings shall be held each > calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced > through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all > members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by > written petition of 20% of all TSA members. > > > Since we’ve already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to > schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business > Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you > think, Stefan!). > > As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. > > > Mark > > > *From:* Julia Germany [*mailto:germa...@aol.com* <germa...@aol.com?>] > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM > *To:* *jerryat...@aol.com* <jerryat...@aol.com>; > *ellie.tho...@gmail.com*<ellie.tho...@gmail.com>; > *tr...@sprynet.com* <tr...@sprynet.com> > *Cc:* *texascavers@texascavers.com* <texascavers@texascavers.com> > *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* > > > Since the "winter" meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed > to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third > meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with > the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when > the meetings must take place? > > As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a > copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes > to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. > > julia > -----Original Message----- > From: JerryAtkin <*jerryat...@aol.com* <jerryat...@aol.com>> > To: ellie.thoene <*ellie.tho...@gmail.com* <ellie.tho...@gmail.com>>; > trhli <*tr...@sprynet.com* <tr...@sprynet.com>> > Cc: texascavers <*texascavers@texascavers.com*<texascavers@texascavers.com> > > > Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* > That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 > membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at > the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold > another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? > > Jerry. > > In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, * > ellie.tho...@gmail.com* <ellie.tho...@gmail.com> writes: > > Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page * > http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html*<http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html>that > "Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really > necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion > was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion > carried". > > >
