texascavers Digest 26 Jul 2011 21:49:36 -0000 Issue 1356
Topics (messages 18242 through 18251):
Bexar Grotto program for Monday 7/25
18242 by: Tom Florer
18243 by: Bill Bentley
Experts Baffled by Mysterious Underground Chambers in Bavaria
18244 by: Daniel Morgan
18245 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
Re: BSA Troop 33 wants to go Spelunking
18246 by: ellie.thoene
18247 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
18249 by: Matt Turner
NSS Convention Pix, Reports, Thoughts, and Detritus
18248 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
kerry coleman
18250 by: bcow911.satx.rr.com
Conference deadlines: Planetary Caves, Cave and Karst Management, Karst Soils
18251 by: George Veni
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Cavers,
Graham Schindel will be presenting a program on the caves of Montana at the
Bexar Grotto meeting on Monday, July 25th. It should provide a nice change of
scenery for those of us who have been stuck in Texas too long, and were not
able to attend the convention in Colorado.
The Bexar Grotto meets on the second and fourth Monday of each month at
Chester's Hamburgers, on the NW corner of Highway 281 and Thousand Oaks Drive
in San Antonio. Hope to see you there!
-Tom
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But I drank a beer with you at the Convention???? Or who was it? I wondered why
he kept looking at me funny when I called him Tom...
Bill
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From: Tom Florer
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 7:29 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Bexar Grotto program for Monday 7/25
Cavers,
Graham Schindel will be presenting a program on the caves of Montana at the
Bexar Grotto meeting on Monday, July 25th. It should provide a nice change of
scenery for those of us who have been stuck in Texas too long, and were not
able to attend the convention in Colorado.
The Bexar Grotto meets on the second and fourth Monday of each month at
Chester's Hamburgers, on the NW corner of Highway 281 and Thousand Oaks Drive
in San Antonio. Hope to see you there!
-Tom
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"There are more than 700 curious tunnel networks in Bavaria, but their
purpose remains a mystery. Were they built as graves for the souls of the
dead, as ritual spaces or as hideaways from marauding bandits? Archeologists
are now exploring the subterranean vaults to unravel their secrets."
http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,775348,00.html
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My geologist friends in Bavaria are currently looking into this.
T
Jul 25, 2011 12:46:39 AM, morgan.dan...@gmail.com wrote:
"There are more than 700 curious tunnel networks in Bavaria, but their purpose remains a mystery. Were they built as graves for the souls of the dead, as ritual spaces or as hideaways from marauding bandits? Archeologists are now exploring the subterranean vaults to unravel their secrets."
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Was there anyone in Austin interested in speaking about caving to this BSA
troop? These guys haven't heard from anyone and I thought I would give it
one last try to the list serve.
They are not asking for anyone to be tour guide, just for someone to talk to
the boys.
They are looking for someone who could speak about *"local caves and what
you need to know before you start caving -how you get started in the sport,
information resources, the fundamental safety rules, what you can expect, -
(eg dark muddy wet tight conditions), the skills you need to master, the
gear you need, how expensive it is, and why caving is fun. Pictures would
be great. We have a computer it could be displayed on. I was thinking of
30 to 40 minutes but we are flexible."*
Please let me know.
Ellie
Posting as TSA Vice Chair
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Mark Alman <texascav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Anyone interested in helping these guys out?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> *From:* Charles McDonald <charlesbmcdon...@hotmail.com>
> *To:* youthcav...@cavetexas.org; chair...@cavetexas.org;
> vicechair...@cavetexas.org; secret...@cavetexas.org; saf...@cavetexas.org;
> members...@cavetexas.org
> *Sent:* Sat, July 16, 2011 4:22:30 PM
> *Subject:* BSA Troop 33 wants to go Spelunking
>
> Good Afternoon,
>
> Boy Scout Troop 33 is planning a guided spelunking trip over the Labor Day
> weekend. It would be great if we could have an experienced caver speak to
> the Troop beforehand and orient us to this sport and its opportunities in
> this area. Would anyone in your group be interested in talking to us? We
> meet at 7:00 pm on Monday evenings at St Ignatius Catholic church at Oltorf
> and S. Congress in Austin. If that time is inconvenient we could try
> another time. I appreciate any help you can give us.
>
> Thank You,
>
> Charles McDonald
> Scoutmaster Troop 33
> 773 8476
>
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Crash said that he would contact them.
Thanks,
Mark
From: ellie.thoene [mailto:ellie.tho...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 11:31 AM
To: Mark Alman
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: BSA Troop 33 wants to go Spelunking
Was there anyone in Austin interested in speaking about caving to this
BSA troop? These guys haven't heard from anyone and I thought I would
give it one last try to the list serve.
They are not asking for anyone to be tour guide, just for someone to
talk to the boys.
They are looking for someone who could speak about "local caves and what
you need to know before you start caving -how you get started in the
sport, information resources, the fundamental safety rules, what you can
expect, - (eg dark muddy wet tight conditions), the skills you need to
master, the gear you need, how expensive it is, and why caving is fun.
Pictures would be great. We have a computer it could be displayed on.
I was thinking of 30 to 40 minutes but we are flexible."
Please let me know.
Ellie
Posting as TSA Vice Chair
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Mark Alman <texascav...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Anyone interested in helping these guys out?
Thanks,
Mark
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From: Charles McDonald <charlesbmcdon...@hotmail.com>
To: youthcav...@cavetexas.org; chair...@cavetexas.org;
vicechair...@cavetexas.org; secret...@cavetexas.org;
saf...@cavetexas.org; members...@cavetexas.org
Sent: Sat, July 16, 2011 4:22:30 PM
Subject: BSA Troop 33 wants to go Spelunking
Good Afternoon,
Boy Scout Troop 33 is planning a guided spelunking trip over the Labor
Day weekend. It would be great if we could have an experienced caver
speak to the Troop beforehand and orient us to this sport and its
opportunities in this area. Would anyone in your group be interested in
talking to us? We meet at 7:00 pm on Monday evenings at St Ignatius
Catholic church at Oltorf and S. Congress in Austin. If that time is
inconvenient we could try another time. I appreciate any help you can
give us.
Thank You,
Charles McDonald
Scoutmaster Troop 33
773 8476
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Sorry I just noticed this was for a speaking engagement. I've been talking to
them about going into whirlpool. I'll contact them about Speaking too.
Matt Turner
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without
accepting it." - Aristotle
"Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do
that."- Norman Vincent Peale
________________________________
From: ellie.thoene <ellie.tho...@gmail.com>
To: Mark Alman <texascav...@yahoo.com>
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: BSA Troop 33 wants to go Spelunking
Was there anyone in Austin interested in speaking about caving to this BSA
troop? These guys haven't heard from anyone and I thought I would give it one
last try to the list serve.
They are not asking for anyone to be tour guide, just for someone to talk to
the boys.
They are looking for someone who could speak about "local caves and
what you need to know before you start caving -how you get started in
the sport, information resources, the fundamental safety rules, what you can
expect, - (eg dark muddy wet tight conditions), the skills you
need to master, the gear you need, how expensive it is, and why
caving is fun. Pictures would be great. We have a computer it could be
displayed on. I was thinking of 30 to 40 minutes but we are
flexible."
Please let me know.
Ellie
Posting as TSA Vice Chair
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Mark Alman <texascav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Anyone interested in helping these guys out?
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
>
>
>----- Forwarded Message ----
>From: Charles McDonald <charlesbmcdon...@hotmail.com>
>To: youthcav...@cavetexas.org; chair...@cavetexas.org;
>vicechair...@cavetexas.org; secret...@cavetexas.org; saf...@cavetexas.org;
>members...@cavetexas.org
>Sent: Sat, July 16, 2011 4:22:30 PM
>Subject: BSA Troop 33 wants to go Spelunking
>
>
>Good Afternoon,
>
>Boy Scout Troop 33 is planning a guided spelunking trip over the Labor Day
>weekend. It would be great if we could have an experienced caver speak to the
>Troop beforehand and orient us to this sport and its opportunities in this
>area. Would anyone in your group be interested in talking to us? We meet at
>7:00 pm on Monday evenings at St Ignatius Catholic church at Oltorf and S.
>Congress in Austin. If that time is inconvenient we could try another time.
>I appreciate any help you can give us.
>
>Thank You,
>
>Charles McDonald
>Scoutmaster Troop 33
>773 8476
>
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All,
Jon Cradit was gracious enough to send me a slew of pix from the NSS
Convention.
To all of the other cavers that attended, I would welcome anything you
could send me that is fit to print and/or report in the next issue of
The TEXAS CAVER.
Don't be shy. Send it in! The higher the resolution, the better.
Thanks,
Mark
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This is to Austin cavers and Bexar Grotto members that attend the meetings at
Chesters Hambergers in SA. Kerry was the waitress that was assigned to us for
several years and was well liked by all. She was taken to the hospital
yesterday after suffering a CVA(stroke). Her thermal reg center was all messed
up as well as severe intracranial pressure. She was taken off life support this
morning and never regain consciousness.Present plans are for creamation.
Funeral plans will follow.
bob cowell
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Dear Friends,
Conference deadlines are approaching rapidly! Below are three conferences
that may interest you. All are sponsored by NCKRI and the first will be the
first conference held at NCKRI's newly-built headquarters!
Please distribute this message to anyone you think may be interested. For
more information, contact the sources below.
George
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The First International Planetary Cave Research Workshop is a follow-up to
the 2008 Lava Tube Workshop held in Grant, New Mexico, which brought
together researchers with interests in lava tubes from diverse backgrounds,
ranging from image analysis to modeling to robotics.
This workshop is the first in a continuing series of meetings that are
intended to promote the exchange of knowledge and ideas between planetary
and terrestrial scientists interested in cave exploration and research
across the solar system. In recognition of the broad scope,
interdisciplinary nature, and strong international interest in this topic,
the participation of any interested scientist with relevant theoretical,
experimental, or field experience is strongly encouraged.
The workshop will incorporate oral and poster presentations as well as
extended discussion dispersed around a one-day field trip to local caves.
The workshop will bring together researchers with interests in planetary
caves from diverse backgrounds in image analysis, modeling, and terrestrial
analog studies. A small group setting will facilitate intensive discussion
of problems and issues in an attempt to identify the most promising
approaches to understanding these cave systems and to develop a
collaborative interdisciplinary research agenda.
The First International Planetary Cave Research Workshop: Implications for
Astrobiology, Climate, Detection, and Exploration will be held October
25-28, 2011, at the National Cave and Karst Research Institute, 400-1
Cascades Avenue, Carlsbad, NM 88220 USA (phone: 575-887-5518). The workshop
will also include a one-day field trip.
Abstract Deadline: Tuesday, August 9, 2011, 5:00 p.m.
<http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/images/timezone.jpg> U.S. Central Daylight
Time (GMT-5)
Registration Deadline: October 11, 2011 (no on-site registration will be
available)
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/caves2011/caves20112nd.shtml
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Subject: 2011 National Cave & Karst Management Symposium
From: cami_mckin...@nps.gov [mailto:cami_mckin...@nps.gov]
Good Morning Friends of Caves & Karst!
Just wanted to remind everyone that early registration for the 2011 National
Cave & Karst Management Symposium ends this weekend! Planning for the NCKMS
is really starting to come together. It is going to be the perfect event to
learn and network from people invested in cave and karst management,
ecosystems, and research and there are some really great people already
registered. Don't miss out on the registration discounts!
Find registration at: http://nckms2011.eventbrite.com/
When you fill out your registration form- you will be required to select a
field trip. The Logan Canyon field trip will show some really amazing
alpine karst and hydrological features but there are limited seating for
this trip. The Timpanogos Cave field trip will get you out in the mountains
and get you hiking- this will not be your typical cave tour! The field trip
will focus on management issues and challenges of a show cave in a
mountainous environment.
In addition to the sessions and the field trips, there are several valuable
workshops available. Project Underground for outdoor(underground) education
is perfect for people involved in education and interpretation. And don't
miss Bat Conservation International's Bat Cave Assessment and Management.
These will be offered on Monday October 3. While the workshops are going on
there will also be a vertical rope training for those who need to hone in on
rope skills. All of these classes have limited seating and are starting to
fill up so don't miss out!
Finally, the event is being held at the beautiful Zermatt Resort in Midway.
This five star resort is giving us a KILLER deal on a block of rooms. When
they are gone, they are gone, so make your reservations now before they
disappear! We have been given a special reservation number at 855-549-6707.
Some of the upcoming deadlines for the NCKMS:
July 31 Early registration ends
August 1 Scholarship Applications Due
August 15 Abstracts and Biographical Sketches Due
October 15 Final Papers Due
Read about the event, the location, the venue and more at:
www.nckms.org/2011. And please forward this to anyone you think may be
interested!
See you there!
Cami McKinney
2011 NCKMS Chair
801-756-5239 x 501
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Soil in karst environments: its role in hydrology and functioning of karst
systems
Convener: Parise Mario - CNR - Italy
Co-Conveners: Slabe Tadej - Karst Research Institute - Slovenia
Urushibara-Yoshino Kazuko - Hosei University - Japan
Veni George - National Cave and Karst Research Institute - USA
This session will occur at Eurosoil 2012, in lovely Bari, Italy, 2-6 July
2012. The session number is S1.8 and the abstract deadline is 10 October
2011. For more information on the conference, the newly available second
circular, and its field trips which include the "full day excursion at Sassi
of Matera, the unique cave town" UNESCO World Heritage site, visit
http://www.eurosoil2012.eu/
***************************
George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 413-383-2276
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org
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